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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree that the release requirement is not onerous and that it is in fact a helpful requirement. Just did it!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Incubator [mailto:incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jo Cook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2018 14:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] about the website and reviewing incoming projects<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I'm not on the Incubation Committee, my feeling is that you shouldn't relax the requirement for checking the headers, and that you should include making a release as a requirement for "osgeo community". The requirements are not onerous,
and in my mind help people get going with good practices. I certainly learnt a fair bit from going through the process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:45 AM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some of the feedback (and questions) I have gotten privately points out that we do not ask very much more out of our "osgeo community" projects. I think that is by design, we would like OSGeo to be an organization that is easy to join.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a) relax the requirement to be listed on the website to just be "open source license" (ie no check of headers)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">b) increate the requirement for "osgeo community" to include making a release<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 January 2018 at 10:12, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">Discussion in August focused on what to do with projects that bridge to proprietary work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">- Projects like GeoTools or GDAL obviously do so to help bridge the gap and introduce more people to open source.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">- Projects that require an "API Key" or similar may be open source in license, but have the opposite intent directing
open source to paid services.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">How can we tell these two stories apart?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">The other group I work with, LocationTech, captures this distinction between "works with" vs "dependency". I do not
know if we want to make up a similar hard line at OSGeo. The general idea is a "dependency" is required for a project to run, a "works with" unlocks additional functionality or integration if present in the execution environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">Why is this not clear cut? Because some projects are an open source response from users of a proprietary product wanting
to share their knowledge. This is however an exceptional case - I think we could write up a guidelines to reject applications that require an API key, and then be open to community lead projects asking for an exemption </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">This is a hotbed topic, where our community needs to think through its principles and commitment to open source. I
am willing to accept that ordinations such as <a href="https://staging.www.osgeo.org/resources/open-source-projects-esri/" target="_blank">
ESRI</a> are capable of adopting open source principles over time - and our mission is an organization is to encourage such change.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">The caution on this, as mentioned in the august discussion, mentioned "open washing" which I take to mean adopting
some of the language of open geospatial (usually open data and open standards) as a marketing ploy. We also need to be careful to not accept projects like the recent "<a href="https://github.com/nextzen" target="_blank">mapzen</a> dumping" that are open source
in license, but do not have a mechanism for participation and fair governance. Both of these examples send the wrong message about what open source is for and do not align with the "empower" part of "empower everyone with open source geospatial".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">I think by keeping these two extremes (API key as a dependency is a clear case of requiring a license to use) and
open source dumping (a GitHub repository with an open source license is not an open source project capable of accepting contributions) we can stay true to our principles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">We have members who are passionate about "open source", and also members that are passionate about "free and open
source". We have to go into this knowing we will not make everyone happy - and that both viewpoints are right. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545">I am in open source for the long game, indeed that is the reason I volunteer here in the incubation committee.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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