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<p>Hi Folks, <br>
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<p>this is an update on the Incubation process of Oskari. <br>
</p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status</a><br>
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<p>As mentor I am still somewhat hesitant to recommend Oskari for
OSGeo Incubation because I cannot find a good indicator supporting
that there is an open community and communication. Personally I
know some of the current core team and totally trust them to work
in the Open Source way of doing things. But this may not be quite
apparent to anybody not into the project. <br>
</p>
<p>Oskari is doing a good job posting news and updates to the OSGeo
user list (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oskari-user/">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oskari-user/</a>)
but the list is not really used by users for any kind of
discussion, help or future development. It feels more like a low
volume announce list (which is totally OK, so please keep it up).
<br>
</p>
<p>How and where is the development being discussed? Who can join
the Oskari Slack channel - or whatever else is used to have
technical and strategic discussions? Are there archives of
discussions and decisions? Do you manage to do this in English or
is it still everything communicated in Finnish? <br>
</p>
<p>In a PSC presentation from December 2016 one bullet-point says
that Oskari may become a project on OSGeo live: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://oskariorg.github.io/files/20161220-Oskari_OSGEO_PSC.pdf">https://oskariorg.github.io/files/20161220-Oskari_OSGEO_PSC.pdf.
<br>
</a></p>
<p>Actually, Incubation is not a requirement, so please feel free to
approach the OSGeo Live team to find out more.<br>
</p>
<p>In the Roadmap document (which in my opinion is actually ery
good) at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/wiki/Roadmap-process">https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/wiki/Roadmap-process</a>
you say that: <br>
</p>
<p><i>"After communicating with Oskari community the roadmap items
enter Active stage [...]". </i><br>
</p>
<p>Can you give us an example of where and how this has happened? </p>
<p>There are some updates on GitHub issues but it appears to be
mostly internal team members (which is totally OK, is this where
the collaborative aspect of the future development takes place? <br>
</p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/labels/roadmap">https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/labels/roadmap</a></p>
<p>Regarding Code Copyright Review you state that: <br>
</p>
<p><i>All code has been developed by the registered developers
listed on github who have signed the CLA. All external libraries
have project compatible licenses. The project has been started
as a regular Open Source project following the guidelines as set
out by OSGeo. A file-per-file code review was therefore deemed
superfluous. </i></p>
<p>As mentor I can confirm that this is correct and satisfies
OSGeo's requirements (and yes, I did some quick checks on random
code files but due to the well organized origin of the project did
not go through all code like we had to in the GRASS project...
:-).</p>
<p>In the last PSC meeting in December 2017 a decision was taken to
schedule the next meeting "as needed". <br>
</p>
<h2 id="meetingsactivity"><i>Meetings/activity</i></h2>
<i>
</i>
<ul>
<li><i>[...]</i></li>
<li><i>future meetings schedule: continue with “as needed” (no
need for a fixed schedule)</i></li>
</ul>
<p>Summarizing the current status: We discussed some of the above
topics before and it is not a requirement for OSGeo Incubation to
have active mailing lists and so on. But it is a requirement to
have an open process and ideally also a somewhat growing user
community. Obviously due its character as a complex portal
platform Oskari is not a software that will have millions of
downloads but a little broader adoption would be nice to see. <br>
</p>
<p>You also say: <br>
</p>
<ul>
<li><i>Slack/Mailinglist can be used more actively to discuss any
issues/voting</i></li>
</ul>
<p><i> </i></p>
<p>If you are not using the Slack channel (which unfortunately is
not open), where is the communication taking place? <br>
</p>
<p>The PSC meeting notes from December 2017 has a list of current
installations / users / contributions. This is good to see. Has
there been any additions, changes over the past half year? <br>
</p>
<br>
Even if you can not produce evidence for any or all of the above
issues I will be happy to recommend Oskari for Incubation if you
believe that this will help the project. Then it will be up to the
Incubation committee to decide whether we can recommend graduation
to the OSGeo Board of Directors. <br>
<p>We will have to expect some discussion on the Incubation list on
the above topics and this is not bad but a sign of a healthy
process. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<h3>Internal note to the Incubation committee <br>
</h3>
<p>IF you ever made it down to this line and maybe even checked some
of the referenced documents, please be so kind as to acknowledge
this on the mailing list so that we can help Oskari move on. <br>
</p>
<p> It may also be a good idea to go back to the Incubation process
and check whether it should be revised for certain aspects
(especially requirement on mailing lists / alternatives like
Slack). <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Anything else you need, let me know. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you, <br>
</p>
<p>Arnulf<br>
</p>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 2018-06-25 um 17:05 schrieb Aarnio
Timo (MML):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Incubator-list!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We’d like to inquire
about the incubation status of Oskari. What are the next
steps should be in the incubation process? In our end we’ve
done everything we’ve realized that we have to do. But is
there something still wanted from us? Or is the process in
the OSGeo end now? If so, what are the steps there and is
there possibly any estimate when we can think about
graduating?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:FI"
lang="EN-US">Timo Aarnio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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