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<p>Hi Aarnio,</p>
<p>Re questions about building community:</p>
<p>* Building a community is hard. Think about whether you are
prepared to invest in community building and the long term
benefits, or whether you are more efficient going alone. Both are
potentially viable options.</p>
<p>* Be aware of the 90-9-1 rule. (90% lurkers, 9% contributors, 1%
super-contributors).
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.nngroup.com/articles/participation-inequality/">https://www.nngroup.com/articles/participation-inequality/</a> . It
sounds like you just have a small super-contributors group,
without a greater community, and you need to work out how to
reduce the barrier of entry to attract a greater community.</p>
<p>* So in answer to your question of "is speaking in Finnish ok?",
I'd suggest that if you want to attract a broader community of
contributors, pick a language everyone understands, and put you
communication out into a public forum.</p>
<p>* Otherwise, your suggestions re opening up communication sound
like you are heading in the right direction.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Cameron<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/8/18 12:46 am, Aarnio Timo (MML)
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">coming
back to this topic after we’ve had a chance to discuss this
within the Oskari community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">There
are at least two things where we see that we should (and
hopefully can) improve:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">1)
Openness of our communication<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">2)
Reducing the risk factor of the biggest contributor
abandoning the project (or broader adoption)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">The
communication thing is a bit tricky, we have the email list
and its usage is growing, which is obviously good. We are
trying to steer people into using the mailing list for the
reasons already mentioned (archiving and ability to search
for old messages). Then we have our Slack instance for
quicker communication and that has at least to issues: At
this point it still needs an invitation that has to be sent
manually, there is a solution for this and probably in the
near future we can automate this task. Then the free tier
Slack only archives 10k messages so we need a way to archive
them ourselves. I know Slack supports exports, but we have
to look into it in a bit more detail. Sending the archive to
the email list once a week or once a day might be good and
shouldn’t be that difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Another
thing is that most of the discussion happens in Finnish as
two Finns are communicating. Do you think this is a problem?
Of course we can ask people to communicate in English, but
I’m afraid that will lead to more direct/private messages
being used and they will not show in the archives. I know
many other FOSS4G-projects have a lot of communication in
other languages than English, so probably I shouldn’t worry?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Then
about the risk of NLSFI abandoning the project, or getting
broader adoption for our software. There are probably things
that we have failed to communicate properly, we have a
feeling our community is developing at a nice pace and
actually doing more things together that is actually visible
“from the outside”. So in addition to growing the community
we need to improve our communication as well. Last year the
board of the joint development forum, which consists of nine
organizations jointly made a request for tender for a
“community coordinator” for the Oskari community. This was
done to improve our communication and co-operation and also
to reduce the role of NLSFI in the community-owned project.
Are there some concrete steps/hints that come to your mind?
What kind of things would you recommend? We’re all ears :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">One
more thing: Arnulf mentioned in the earlier response that “I
cannot find a good indicator supporting that there is an
open community and communication.”. What kind of concrete
indicators would you like to see? What could be a good goal?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">And
again, thank you for your answers and help. Getting it from
people with your level of experience means a lot to us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Timo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">PS.
Sami and me will be traveling to Dar es Salaam, come and
have a chat with us if you’re also coming!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:FI"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:FI"
lang="EN-US"> Arnulf Christl (Metaspatial)
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:arnulf.christl@metaspatial.net">mailto:arnulf.christl@metaspatial.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27. heinäkuuta 2018 12:57<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Aarnio Timo (MML)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:timo.aarnio@maanmittauslaitos.fi"><timo.aarnio@maanmittauslaitos.fi></a>; Sanna Jokela
(Gispo) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sanna@gispo.fi"><sanna@gispo.fi></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] Oskari Incubation status<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p>Cameron, <span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FI"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>thanks for the pointer to the new / old/ checklist link. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>All, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>the Incubation process and Checklists are not in a good state
right now. There also have been changes during the migration
from the old web site to the new website. For example the
topic of requiring Open Source / Free Software licenses is
much less prominent than on the old linked version Cameron
provided and the even older Incubation Status pages Oskari had
started on. I am pretty sure that these changes have not been
discussed on the Incubation lists?! The official document on
the web (<a
href="https://www.osgeo.org/resources/project-graduation-checklist/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.osgeo.org/resources/project-graduation-checklist/</a>)
points to a PDF file. Why on earth would we want this to be a
file and not plain HTML?! Incubation is core and heart to
OSGeo and the content is not readily available on the web?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>No dramatic thing but we may want to go through the whole
process on this list again, flesh out old docs and so on.
Happy to help out on this around October / November when my
schedule relaxes a bit. If anybody is eager to push this
forward before then please go ahead. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Over the coming days we will move the Oskari Incubation
status page content to the version provided by Cameron and
then ask the Incubation committee to comment and eventually
come to a decision whether we can recommend Oskari for
graduation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>It is somewhat hard to find things on the OSGeo Web in
general because many links from the Wiki to the new website
are broken. This causes quite a disconnect. When trying to fix
some of the links I also noticed difference in content and
language which we may have to fix with a lot of manual editing
so that Wiki and website are in sync again. Would be great to
see this coordinated by the web site committee - but that
channel is dead since December 2017 which is unfortunate
because we now have a nice web site but little editing going
on - but this is a another topic. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Have fun,<br>
Arnulf<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 2018-07-08 um 10:01 schrieb Cameron
Shorter:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>Aarnio, Arnulf,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I just checked up on the link Arnulf pointed us to, <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status</a>,
and it appears you are using an old version of the OSGeo
Incubation Checklist. This is understandable, as our
incubation docs have not been copied across into our new
website. (Mumble, mumble, grrr, grr.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This is the checklist we should be using:<br>
<a
href="http://old.www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://old.www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/7/18 10:10 pm, Aarnio Timo (MML)
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Dear list members!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Thank you so much for you assesment Arnulf
and thank you for your valuable comments Cameron and
Bruce!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I’ll try to answer some of the questions
and concerns raised here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">The mailing list has been so far more as
Arnulf described, an announcement channel. However there
have been multiple questions and answers regarding the
software as well. You’ve gotta start somewhere right?
Also some people seem to dislike email lists and say
that they are old fashioned. Personally I don’t
completely agree but I see where these comments are
coming from.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">In our day to day work we use Slack (and
nowadays also Rocket.Chat) for communication. I agree
that having logs from our chats might be beneficial for
others, but there are at least two things to note here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">- We use the free version of Slack which
supports only 10k messages of history, so we’d have to
develop some method of fetching the chat archive
(+attached media) and then store&publish it
somewhere. Not sure what the terms of use for Slack say
about this - we could check.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">- A lot of the discussion (chat) is in
Finnish. Also a lot of it happens via private messages
between two developers and even though we’ve tried to
encourage people to chat on the public channels
sometimes it just does not happen.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Anyone that has questions and/or is
developing something to Oskari is welcomed to our Slack.
We even planned to automate the invitations, so that one
wouldn’t have to ask one from us.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">For now I guess the best source for
discussions and decisions is GitHub and the PSC meeting
notes. We also planned to make the PSC meetings happen
regularly (e.g. once a month) in the sake of sharing
information & knowledge exchange.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">We’ve discussed the OSGeo Live issue early
last year and decided that at this point it’s not
something we will focus on. Like Arnulf noted Oskari is
a “platform” product and relies heavily on external data
sets so it’s not that well suited for OSGeo Live.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">About the question about Roadmap items and
external contributors: Oskari has had external
contributors for quite some time, but obviously here
more is better. The most recent “external” contribution
is this <a
href="https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/issues/61"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/issues/61</a>
- as an example of something that “went through the
process”. I put the word external in quotes because I
don’t know what qualifies as being external? The
free-to-join Oskari Community has now more than 30
organizations and many of them are using or developing
Oskari actively. Last year the first company (then
Dimenteq Ltd now Sitowise Ltd) started selling Oskari as
a service and also Oskari development and maintenance.
This year another company (Gispo Ltd) started offering
crowd-funding facilitating services for developing
Oskari collaboratively - tbh they are piloting it for
now. I really see both of these examples as very
positive development and I think they also secure the
future of Oskari to some extent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Obviously a more broader adoption is
something we still strive for. For a software like
Oskari it’s challenging but little by little we’ve
already managed to do it so it’s possible :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I don’t think we’re in any rush for the
graduation and this discussion will be very helpful for
us to develop our process even further. So please do
comment back so we know what kind of steps to take next
and how to proceed. My holidays start today so don’t
wonder if I’m not replying for a while, I’ll get back to
work in August.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Thanks again for your support!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">BR,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Timo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:FI" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:FI" lang="EN-US">
Incubator [<a
href="mailto:incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Bannerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 6. heinäkuuta 2018 0:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter <a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:Oskari-user@lists.osgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Oskari-user@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
Sanna Jokela (Gispo)
<a href="mailto:sanna@gispo.fi"
moz-do-not-send="true"><sanna@gispo.fi></a>;
<a href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] Oskari Incubation
status</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Arnulf,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your detailed assessment.
...and yes, I did read to the bottom ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to see a response to
your questions from Timo, or another representative of
the Oskari community. In particular a response to the
issues of open communities and decision making.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">From what I’ve viewed on the project
website, Oskari has considerable potential. However,
good software is only part of the picture.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having a good, strong, healthy and
active community that is diverse and uses open processes
will help the project to survive when funding from the
major sponsor ceases.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 6 Jul 2018, at 03:02, Cameron Shorter <<a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p>Arnulf, to answer your question at the bottom, yes I
read to the bottom, and really appreciate your
detailed assessment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Based on Arnulf's assessment, it sounds like Sskari
probably has a good codebase, with good work from
within one organisation, but is yet to attract engaged
external developers. This is a great milestone, and
worth acknowledging. But the "unicorn" projects that
we look for in OSGeo incubation are those with a
healthy community from multiple organisations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The "extent of collaboration" criteria provides
validation of the quality of the project, and is a
very good indicator of long term sustainability.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To the
Oskari folks, you might want to read this presentation
I gave a while back on business justifications for
backing collaboration:
<br>
<a
href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2017/11/open-source-pitch-for-your-boss.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2017/11/open-source-pitch-for-your-boss.html</a><br>
<br>
Without digging into the details any further, I
suspect Oskari would need to work on attracting
co-contributors, from multiple organisations, and we
would likely see evidence of this happening by seeing
archive logs of collaborative email lists, or slack or
IRC or similar.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/7/18 2:11 am, Arnulf Christl
(Metaspatial) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>Hi Folks, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>this is an update on the Incubation process of
Oskari. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>As mentor I am still somewhat hesitant to recommend
Oskari for OSGeo Incubation because I cannot find a
good indicator supporting that there is an open
community and communication. Personally I know some
of the current core team and totally trust them to
work in the Open Source way of doing things. But
this may not be quite apparent to anybody not into
the project.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Oskari is doing a good job posting news and updates
to the OSGeo user list (<a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oskari-user/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oskari-user/</a>)
but the list is not really used by users for any
kind of discussion, help or future development. It
feels more like a low volume announce list (which is
totally OK, so please keep it up).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>How and where is the development being discussed?
Who can join the Oskari Slack channel - or whatever
else is used to have technical and strategic
discussions? Are there archives of discussions and
decisions? Do you manage to do this in English or is
it still everything communicated in Finnish? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In a PSC presentation from December 2016 one
bullet-point says that Oskari may become a project
on OSGeo live:
<a
href="https://oskariorg.github.io/files/20161220-Oskari_OSGEO_PSC.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://oskariorg.github.io/files/20161220-Oskari_OSGEO_PSC.pdf.
<br>
</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Actually, Incubation is not a requirement, so
please feel free to approach the OSGeo Live team to
find out more.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In the Roadmap document (which in my opinion is
actually ery good) at: <a
href="https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/wiki/Roadmap-process"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/wiki/Roadmap-process</a> you
say that: <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p><i>"After communicating with Oskari community the
roadmap items enter Active stage [...]".
</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Can you give us an example of where and how this
has happened? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There are some updates on GitHub issues but it
appears to be mostly internal team members (which is
totally OK, is this where the collaborative aspect
of the future development takes place?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a
href="https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/labels/roadmap"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/oskariorg/oskari-docs/labels/roadmap</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regarding Code Copyright Review you state that: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>All code has been developed by the registered
developers listed on github who have signed the
CLA. All external libraries have project
compatible licenses. The project has been started
as a regular Open Source project following the
guidelines as set out by OSGeo. A file-per-file
code review was therefore deemed superfluous. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>As mentor I can confirm that this is correct and
satisfies OSGeo's requirements (and yes, I did some
quick checks on random code files but due to the
well organized origin of the project did not go
through all code like we had to in the GRASS
project... :-).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In the last PSC meeting in December 2017 a decision
was taken to schedule the next meeting "as needed".
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h2 id="meetingsactivity"><i>Meetings/activity</i><o:p></o:p></h2>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<i>[...]</i><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<i>future meetings schedule: continue with “as
needed” (no need for a fixed schedule)</i><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p>Summarizing the current status: We discussed some
of the above topics before and it is not a
requirement for OSGeo Incubation to have active
mailing lists and so on. But it is a requirement to
have an open process and ideally also a somewhat
growing user community. Obviously due its character
as a complex portal platform Oskari is not a
software that will have millions of downloads but a
little broader adoption would be nice to see.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>You also say: <o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo6">
<i>Slack/Mailinglist can be used more actively to
discuss any issues/voting</i><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p>If you are not using the Slack channel (which
unfortunately is not open), where is the
communication taking place?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The PSC meeting notes from December 2017 has a list
of current installations / users / contributions.
This is good to see. Has there been any additions,
changes over the past half year?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Even if you can not produce evidence for any or all
of the above issues I will be happy to recommend
Oskari for Incubation if you believe that this will
help the project. Then it will be up to the
Incubation committee to decide whether we can
recommend graduation to the OSGeo Board of
Directors. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We will have to expect some discussion on the
Incubation list on the above topics and this is not
bad but a sign of a healthy process.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>Internal note to the Incubation committee <o:p></o:p></h3>
<p>IF you ever made it down to this line and maybe
even checked some of the referenced documents,
please be so kind as to acknowledge this on the
mailing list so that we can help Oskari move on.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It may also be a good idea to go back to the
Incubation process and check whether it should be
revised for certain aspects (especially requirement
on mailing lists / alternatives like Slack).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Anything else you need, let me know. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thank you, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arnulf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 2018-06-25 um 17:05 schrieb
Aarnio Timo (MML):<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Incubator-list!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We’d like to
inquire about the incubation status of Oskari.
What are the next steps should be in the
incubation process? In our end we’ve done
everything we’ve realized that we have to do.
But is there something still wanted from us? Or
is the process in the OSGeo end now? If so, what
are the steps there and is there possibly any
estimate when we can think about graduating?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:FI" lang="EN-US">Timo
Aarnio</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Cameron Shorter<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Technology Demystifier<o:p></o:p></pre>
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