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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Jody and Incubator-list,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Indeed, we’re still very interested in graduating as full members. Last time we had communications (On 24/8/18 12:46 am ) left us a bit waiting for answers to our questions, the most
important probably being:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“What kind of concrete indicators would you like to see [that we have ‘an open community and communication’]? What could be a good goal?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I.e. what could we do as a community in order for it to be more open? One thing contributing to that comes to mind (from the top of my head): We’ve since changed from Slack to the open-for-everyone-without-invitations
Gitter (<a href="https://gitter.im/oskariorg/chat">https://gitter.im/oskariorg/chat</a>). AFAIK Gitter stores chat history indefinitely, which is a good thing. The PSC-memos are on GitHub and some of the discussion is on the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As for the graduation checklist, unfortunately I can’t find information where it should be filled. The website
<a href="https://www.osgeo.org/resources/project-graduation-checklist/">https://www.osgeo.org/resources/project-graduation-checklist/</a> has a downloadable PDF which is probably the one that should be filled?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Most of the information required is probably already here
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status</a> but we’d be happy to fill the new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So, can you please point us to a list we can fill? Do we send it back to this list then?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">- Timo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Incubator <incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jody Garnett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> keskiviikko 15. toukokuuta 2019 16.49<br>
<b>To:</b> Mäkinen Sami (MML) <sami.makinen@maanmittauslaitos.fi><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OSGeo-incubator <incubator@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] recognizing projects that are not incubating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be happy to help you fill in the checklist, there is a copy of it as both as both a PDF and Markdown. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also note that the nature of community activity has changed in the last ten years, now that we have engineers who have always open source their expectations with respect to participation (or lack of participation) are being challenging.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s fill in the checklist, and we can discuss if the level of community involvement is appropriate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This may also be a chance to reach out to your community that you do have (the folks you mentioned) and explain you are willing to be more open (less private email) and expect their increased involvement. Review the the social context associated
with your project and do a bit of a “reset” of expectations on both sides. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It may seem like a bit of overhead (it is) but both parties are paid back in a safer project. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 4:06 AM Mäkinen Sami (MML) <<a href="mailto:sami.makinen@maanmittauslaitos.fi">sami.makinen@maanmittauslaitos.fi</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I’m from the Oskari team and we are still interested in graduating. The problem is we don’t really know what we can do to take the next step/graduate. The last
messages about the incubation for our project as I gathered was that people who posted on this list seemed happy with how we are handling things but our mentor Arnulf pointed out that there doesn’t seem to be too much of a visible community activity around
the project. We have the mailing list which we are urging people to use instead of private emails, we have companies that are doing business using Oskari here in Finland, we have Iceland who has adopted Oskari as their geoportal, we have Gitter where people
occasionally drop by to ask something in addition to GitHub issues. I agree that outside of the core development there’s not too much external communication or pull requests coming in and I don’t know the specifics how to decide if it’s enough to justify graduating.
I think we would be happy to be a community project as well if being a “full member” is not justified.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Sami Mäkinen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> Incubator <<a href="mailto:incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">incubator-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
<b>Puolesta </b>Jody Garnett<br>
<b>Lähetetty:</b> tiistai 14. toukokuuta 2019 19.29<br>
<b>Vastaanottaja:</b> OSGeo-incubator <<a href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Aihe:</b> [Incubator] recognizing projects that are not incubating<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think we have an easy way to recognize projects that are not interested in incubation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The following projects have not updated their "incubation status" page to the "graduation checklist". Kind of means no progress/interest since since the document was released at
least five years ago:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Incubation_Status" target="_blank">istSOS Incubation Status</a> - last updated in 2016 to change mentor to Jeff McKenna<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MetaCRS_Incubation_Status" target="_blank">MetaCRS Incubation Status</a> - Individual projects can enter the "OSGeo community" program, and enter incubation as their interest. In practice MetaCRS itself is operating as an
initiative gathering up interested projects for the occasional collaboration?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oskari_Incubation_Status" target="_blank">Oskari Incubation Status</a> - last edited 2017<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
TEAM Engine - it is not on the wiki but I Luis was working on a checklist during the FOSS4GNA sprint?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like to propose these projects be dropped from the incubation program, they can reapply when they are interested in working towards graduation.<br clear="all">
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