<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello again Peter,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no intention of trying to denegrate Rasdaman. I apologise if that is how you interpret my comments.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having spent 5 years as an OSGeo Mentor within your project, I developed a deep respect for your project, your team and collective capabilities.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My intent here is to try and avoid a similar undesirable outcome again in the future.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we'd had a more clearly defined policy on the type of project that we are willing to support at graduation, I believe that we could have avoided a lot of angst with Rasdaman for OSGeo and for the Rasdaman project team.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Sep 2021, at 17:42, Peter Baumann <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" class="">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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    folks, be careful.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    OSGeo, in its limited view on the world, is again starting getting
    derogative about rasdaman. <br class="">
    <br class="">
    Please be careful about your choice of words in the context of
    rasdaman - probably we all do not want to open this discussion
    again.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    -Peter<br class="">
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    <br class="">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.09.21 06:43, Bruce Bannerman
      wrote:<br class="">
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:563463DE-C620-4D7B-91C8-B1A02C366E7C@gmail.com" class="">
      
      Regarding OSI Licenses, I understand this Jody.
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      <div class="">However this position does not cater for undesirable
        proprietary dual license aspects.</div>
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      <div class="">Again the Rasdaman example. From memory, at the time
        of the incubation vote, this product was subject to dual
        licensing, the open source variant using approved OSI licences.
        However the open source version was severely constrained,
        particularly from aspects that improved product performance.</div>
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      <div class="">Consequently, at the time of the incubation vote,
        one member of the Incubation Committee described the open source
        variant as “crippleware”.</div>
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      <div class="">Now I don’t want to make this about one product.</div>
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      <div class="">I’d like to see us have a clear position to avoid
        such problems in the future. I don’t think that we can just say
        that we don’t accept the Benevelent Dictator model and that
        solves all problems.</div>
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      <div class="">I also don’t want to see us chase away involvement
        in projects and project sponsorship by proprietary
        organisations. This would be foolish.</div>
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      <div class="">I have a similar view on CLAs. If used
        appropriately, they can protect a codebase and make it easier to
        manage IP arrangements should it become necessary. </div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">But I also understand that they can be abused with
        undesirable outcomes for an open source community. There are
        many examples of these that we can all recall quite easily. </div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">Bruce</div>
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          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On 24 Sep 2021, at 02:37, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce:
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                <div class="">We presently follow the OSI approved list,
                  much easier to follow then to manage our own criteria.</div>
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                </div>
                <div class="">However this discussion appears to be
                  around governance and control; and I think we are very
                  clear on these topics. Even during the Rasdaman
                  discussion we were very clear that the benevolent
                  dictator model did not meet our goals for open
                  governance. It was frustrating this the discussion
                  took so long: benevolent dictator is of course a
                  valid model, it is just not one that matches our
                  ideals.</div>
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                </div>
                <div class="">OSGeo does support (and sometimes require)
                  CLAs providing asymmetrical rights on code bases such
                  as GeoTools and GeoServer (<a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/licenses/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.osgeo.org/about/licenses/</a>).
                  This increased permissions for the PSC has allowed
                  these committees to donate fixes to more permissive
                  projects such as GeoServer (GPL with EPL exception)
                  --> GeoTools (LGPL); or GeoTools (LGPL) to JTS
                  (BSD). The use of CLA to establish asymmetrical rights
                  has a community building use in this respect; however
                  the same tool is used to enable some of the harmful
                  (to the open community) practices being remarked on.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div class="">It is a shame folks like Elasticsearch
                    and MapBox abandoning open source, as I really
                    appreciate it as a way to produce excellent software
                    and manage risk across a wide range of stakeholders.
                    In many cases the justifications feel self imposed.
                    If an organization is not seeing enough
                    contributions to justify continuing a project as
                    open source, I can point to an organization that did
                    not setup equal governance to promote contributions
                    between equals.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div class="">Personally I like free-software, and
                    open-source software held by a vendor neutral
                    organization (such as OSGeo). Everything else seems
                    a bit risky.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div class="">OSGeo does not provide such a hard line,
                    but by stressing projects need to be willing for
                    others to take part in governance (no benevolent
                    dictator model) I believe the foundation is clear in
                    what kind of project we support. There is a reason
                    projects such as MapBoxGL or Cesium did not apply to
                    be part of OSGeo after all.</div>
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                              <div class="">--</div>
                              <div class="">Jody Garnett</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Sept 2021
                  at 17:31, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br class="">
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Jody,</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">These thoughts extend on
                      your ‘there can be only one’ comment below.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I think that we in the
                      Incubation Committee and our potential future
                      incubating projects would benefit from our better
                      defining what type of open source project we will
                      support.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Greg Troxel contributed
                      valuable insight into a discussion that we were
                      having in the OSGeo Standards list on the proposed
                      OGC/OSGeo MOU. See [1] for context.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">With apologies to Greg for
                      my paraphrasing, I understand Greg’s arguments to
                      strongly differentiate between open source
                      projects that are subject to proprietary
                      relicensing and those that are not. </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Greg contributed the blog
                      link at [2] as part of the discussion. This is an
                      insightful read.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">If we had had a clear policy
                      on the type of open source project that we are
                      willing to support during the unfortunate
                      situation with the Rasdaman Incubation vote, we
                      could have avoided a lot of the angst and
                      miscommunication that occurred on both sides.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">So before we progress too
                      much further on the ‘Platforms’ discussion, I
                      think that it would be beneficial to resolve the
                      OSGeo Incubation supported open source model issue
                      definitively.  I believe that this will make it
                      much easier to progress the platforms discussion,
                      and future incubations.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="">While I have concerns over
                        the interpretation of what a Contributions
                        Licence is, I believe that the links at [1] and
                        [2] are a good starting point to get this sorted
                        out.</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" class="">Kind regards,</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">[1] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2021-September/001274.html" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2021-September/001274.html</a></div>
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                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class="">[2] <a href="https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2020/jan/06/copyleft-equality/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2020/jan/06/copyleft-equality/</a> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">On 17 Sep 2021,
                        at 01:59, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br class="">
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                    </div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="">
                        <div dir="auto" class="">It is kind of like the
                          “highlander-principle” if the phrase “there
                          can be only one” applies … you are not open
                          source.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">Jody</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
                              Sep 15, 2021 at 6:38 PM Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br class="">
                            </div>
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                                <div class="">There is a useful
                                  definition of a framework (quite
                                  technical) here <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework</a></div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Software
                                  frameworks have these distinguishing
                                  features that separate them from
                                  libraries or normal user
                                  applications: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework</a>
                                  <ul class="">
                                    <li class="">inversion of control -
                                      In a framework, unlike in
                                      libraries or normal user
                                      applications, the overall
                                      program's flow of control is not
                                      dictated by the caller, but by the
                                      framework.[1]</li>
                                  </ul>
                                  <ul class="">
                                    <li class="">default behavior - A
                                      framework has a default behavior.
                                      This default behavior must
                                      actually be some useful behavior
                                      and not a series of no-ops.</li>
                                  </ul>
                                  <ul class="">
                                    <li class="">extensibility - A
                                      framework can be extended by the
                                      user usually by selective
                                      overriding or specialized by user
                                      code providing specific
                                      functionality.</li>
                                  </ul>
                                  <ul class="">
                                    <li class="">non-modifiable
                                      framework code - The framework
                                      code, in general, is not allowed
                                      to be modified. Users can extend
                                      the framework, but not modify its
                                      code.</li>
                                  </ul>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div class="">While all of that is
                                  technically true it is perhaps a bit
                                  too detailed for our purpose.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">The core distinction is
                                  earlier in the thread:</div>
                                <div class="">- Does your open source
                                  code support a single website? Or is
                                  is setup for use by others?</div>
                                <div class="">- Are you building a
                                  community around services? This is a
                                  user community ...</div>
                                <div class="">- Are you building a
                                  community around software? This is
                                  still a user community ...</div>
                                <div class="">- Are you building a
                                  community around software where the
                                  software source code is available to
                                  look at? This is still a user
                                  community ... looking at you
                                  Elasticsearch</div>
                                <div class="">- Are you building a
                                  community around software with shared
                                  responsibility and risk (enabled by a
                                  license to view *and change* source
                                  code)? This is a free or open-source
                                  community (depending on which license
                                  chosen by the group)</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">--<br class="">
                                  Jody Garnett<br class="">
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
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                              </div>
                              <br class="">
                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 18:32, Bruce
                                  Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<br class="">
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Jody,</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I don’t
                                      expect anything constructive from
                                      the AGM. People won’t have time to
                                      reflect.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">…now what is
                                      a ‘Framework’?</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I suggest
                                      that we define what we support and
                                      take it from there. We can always
                                      adjust, if required.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Kind
                                      regards,</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">On
                                        4 Sep 2021, at 05:27, Jody
                                        Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:<br class="">
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                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                      <div dir="ltr" class="">
                                        <div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks
                                          Bruce,
                                          <div class=""><br class="">
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">I did not get
                                            anything useful from the
                                            board; perhaps it is a
                                            subject for the AGM.</div>
                                          <div class=""><br class="">
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">For now the way
                                            forward seems to be to
                                            recast the platform as a
                                            framework and ensure the
                                            resulting software stack and
                                            be picked up and run
                                            independently (with a
                                            quickstart or similar).</div>
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                                                      <div class="">--</div>
                                                      <div class="">Jody
                                                        Garnett</div>
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                                            </div>
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                                        <br class="">
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
                                            14 Jul 2021 at 21:57, Bruce
                                            Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
                                            wrote:<br class="">
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                                            <div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Thanks Jody,
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Personally:</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">
                                                <ul class="">
                                                  <li class="">I don’t
                                                    mind a situation
                                                    where an open source
                                                    project attempts to
                                                    develop and maintain
                                                    software that is
                                                    intended to
                                                    integrate a number
                                                    of software
                                                    components into a
                                                    working product
                                                    which could perhaps
                                                    be called a
                                                    platform.</li>
                                                </ul>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <ul class="">
                                                  <li class="">I can see
                                                    many situations
                                                    where the ‘platform’
                                                    might deploy both
                                                    components and the
                                                    platform’s specific
                                                    customisations
                                                    concurrently.</li>
                                                </ul>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <ul class="">
                                                  <li class="">However,
                                                    I would not support
                                                    a situation where
                                                    that product (or
                                                    platform) can only
                                                    be implemented once.
                                                    I’d prefer that it
                                                    can be implemented
                                                    many times by
                                                    different
                                                    organisations.</li>
                                                </ul>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <ul class="">
                                                  <li class="">While
                                                    such a ‘platform’
                                                    project would look
                                                    after its own
                                                    "integration related
                                                    software", I’d see
                                                    that the individual
                                                    components would be
                                                    subject to their own
                                                    open source project
                                                    community’s
                                                    governance
                                                    practices.</li>
                                                </ul>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <ul class="">
                                                  <li class="">This
                                                    could get quite
                                                    messy, when the
                                                    integration related
                                                    software is actually
                                                    a customisation of
                                                    an existing software
                                                    component with its
                                                    own open source
                                                    community already in
                                                    existence. This
                                                    would require
                                                    careful and close
                                                    collaboration
                                                    between both
                                                    communities…</li>
                                                </ul>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">That will
                                                  do for now, let’s see
                                                  what others think.</div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">Kind
                                                  regards,</div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">Bruce</div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                                    <div class="">On 15
                                                      Jul 2021, at
                                                      01:21, Jody
                                                      Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      wrote:</div>
                                                    <br class="">
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div dir="ltr" class="">It is
                                                        indeed
                                                        overloaded, and
                                                        no I cannot
                                                        clarify as the
                                                        applicants that
                                                        are coming in
                                                        are slightly
                                                        different from
                                                        each other.
                                                        <div class=""><br class="">
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div class="">Turn-key
                                                          portals such
                                                          as <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/choose-a-project/information-technology/portal/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.osgeo.org/choose-a-project/information-technology/portal/</a>
                                                          these showcase
                                                          a range of
                                                          projects. Some
                                                          like geomoose
                                                          are presented
                                                          as frameworks,
                                                          others
                                                          like GC2/Vidi
                                                          are presented
                                                          as a platform.</div>
                                                        <div class=""><br class="">
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div class="">I
                                                          would be
                                                          cautious about
                                                          an open source
                                                          project that
                                                          just supports
                                                          a single
                                                          website (like <a href="http://github.com/mapstory" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://github.com/mapstory</a>),
                                                          but perhaps
                                                          that is my own
                                                          bias? There is
                                                          an advantage
                                                          to users of a
                                                          platform being
                                                          able to review
                                                          the code
                                                          responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          service they
                                                          are using. But
                                                          this
                                                          represents new
                                                          ground for
                                                          OSGeo,
                                                          hence the
                                                          discussion.</div>
                                                        <div class=""><br class="">
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div class="">I
                                                          also brought
                                                          this
                                                          discussion to
                                                          the osgeo
                                                          board list; so
                                                          we do not need
                                                          to decide on
                                                          our own.</div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="">
                                                          <div class="">--</div>
                                                          <div class="">Jody
                                                          Garnett</div>
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                                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                                          Tue, 13 Jul
                                                          2021 at 18:56,
                                                          Bruce
                                                          Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi
                                                          Jody,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The concept of
                                                          a platform is
                                                          quite
                                                          overloaded and
                                                          means
                                                          different
                                                          things to
                                                          different
                                                          people.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Can you please
                                                          clarify what
                                                          you mean by
                                                          ‘platform’?<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Kind regards,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Bruce<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          > On 12 Jul
                                                          2021, at
                                                          18:30, Jody
                                                          Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
                                                          > <br class="">
                                                          >
                                                          Discussion
                                                          topic for
                                                          incubation
                                                          committee:<br class="">
                                                          > <br class="">
                                                          > We are
                                                          getting
                                                          applications
                                                          from platforms
                                                          seeking to
                                                          join OSGeo.<br class="">
                                                          > <br class="">
                                                          > What do
                                                          you think?<br class="">
                                                          > --<br class="">
                                                          > Jody
                                                          Garnett<br class="">
                                                          >
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