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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Jeroen,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My main concern is with having bots or rogue users and just accounts that people forget about and clutter our system or get compromised.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>OSGeo Ids provide you access to core things, much of which most people don’t care about when starting off. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Does having an account to a website (or OSGeo) really make you feel more attached to that org especially when you don’t understand what you can use that account for?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For me, as a user, it’s yet another account I need to remember and manage. if I don’t need one, I’d prefer not wasting my time creating one. As an OSGeo SAC team member, I’d prefer people understanding what they need one for before they ask for one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We have a lot of things that don’t require OSGeo accounts – discourse, mailing lists, downloading software which is probably 90% of what people care to do when they first interact with OSGeo.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I feel like there are two steps users take<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>Step 1: I’m just passing by want to know what you are about and if I should bother getting further involved<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><b>I think it sends a bad message if people think “Before we talk to you, you have to register with us”. We need to get rid of that mindset.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>Step 2: I’m now excited I want to get deeper in your organization – e.g. weblate translation, editing the wiki, publishing things, maybe becoming a project member or community lead.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>I’d rather people get to Step 2 before they get accounts because accounts created with purposeful intent are less likely to be compromised or bloat our directory.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>I’d also like to learn more about people in step 1 – what their interests are etc – so we can welcome and guide them, which is the main reason I added the “Introductions” section to discourse.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>If you create a profile about yourself on OSGeo website, no one knows about you unless they are searching the osgeo.org site for people. No one knows you are new and looking for direction.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'>If you do it on <b>discourse/introductions</b> – those who are interested in learning about new people can subscribe to the category and say “Welcome” and give some proper guidance if the new person is interested in the things they are interested in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.25pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would also like project members to give mantras to people if they come across someone that needs one. E.g. if you have someone who says they are interested in translating your project documents, you can just give them the mantra. You don’t need them to email mantra-request to get one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 14, 2026 2:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Regina Obe <lr@pcorp.us><br><b>Cc:</b> OSGeo Incubator Committee <Incubator@lists.osgeo.org>; System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo <sac@lists.osgeo.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] The need for mantra<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Regina,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>While it is useful for people to know that they do not need an OSGeo ID for everything, I think our idea was that it is a nice thing to have for people as the 1 thing that links them to OSGeo (just an account). People say they wish to volunteer, but when trying to get an ID, they fail and leave. You would need an ID if you wanted to work on a WIKI page, other stuff that is community work. And I feel we should avoid that hurdle to be high or even existing. We definitely want to avoid bots, but regular people?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or am I misunderstanding your idea of preventing people creating an account if they just wanted to even download QGIS and later happen to be involved?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jeroen<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 at 19:34, Regina Obe via Incubator <<a href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>As discussed in this email and in the incubation committee meeting today. <br>The need for mantra is burdensome. It is burdensome for users asking for<br>one and also for those who have to address them and 80% of the time there is<br>no point to the ask.<br><br>Main issues are:<br><br>1) People ask for an osgeo id simply to introduce themselves to the<br>community and their interests and for some reason think they need an osgeo<br>id to do so.<br>2) People ask for mantras cause they want to download QGIS software and<br>think they need one.<br><br><br>Then there are some people that really need OSGeo ids cause they need to<br>publish a QGIS plugin.<br><br><br>Jody thought maybe using discourse in some way to field these might help.<br><br>I created a Introduction category with a template to just test this idea<br>out.<br><br><a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/introductions" target="_blank">https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/introductions</a><br><br><br>If you notice if you create a new topic in this category, it will prefill<br>with a template.<br><br>Anyone else that asks me to give them a mantra without sufficient<br>information to do so, I'm going to force them to fill this out to prove<br>their need and if they do, I'll just private message them on discourse with<br>the mantra.<br><br>This is of course an experiment, but I figure is frictionless way for people<br>to introduce themselves to us and if it doesn't work for mantra, at the very<br>least, it will be easier to filter out from those folk who use the "General"<br>category to introduce themselves. I'm going to move all the intro messages<br>out of general and into this category.<br><br>Discourse Admins - please fill free to edit the category template - which is<br>located here -<br><a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/introductions/edit/topic-template" target="_blank">https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/introductions/edit/topic-template</a><br><br>Thanks,<br>Regina<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Incubator mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>