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<p>I'll be frank and very old school: human accountability is a joke
when you delegate code writing and reviewing to bots. AI is
destroying open source and everything else. Fuck it</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/09/2026 à 18:08, Ian Shiland a
écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Nick/Even -
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<div>One of the main reasons for applying for the OSGeo
Community Project status is to help with product
direction and attract other contributors, using AI
agents or otherwise. </div>
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<div>I agree adding a section in CONTRIBUTING.md (human
accountability, etc) makes sense; I also think having
some standards for AGENTS.md is probably something to
consider (testing, scope, and security expectations).
I'm glad to do any of these if that is the direction the
community aligns with. </div>
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<div>I appreciate the discussion regardless of the outcome
for GeoLens here. </div>
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Ian
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2026
at 3:45 AM Even Rouault <<a
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
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<p>Looking at
<a
href="https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens/graphs/contributors?from=27%2F06%2F2026"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens/graphs/contributors?from=27%2F06%2F2026</a>
, you can see that there were 4 other committers
than Ian (excluding dependabot), contributing a
grand total of 7 commits compared to Ian's 1095,
and looking at their commits, it is clear (from
the verbosity of the commit message) that 3 of
them also used an agent. So the collaboration
space is limited to people using agents.</p>
<div>Le 29/09/2026 à 08:35, Nick Bearman via
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<div dir="auto">Hello,<br>
<br>
Here are my thoughts. <br>
<br>
The board said they are not banning or enforcing
the use if AI, it is up to individual projects.
They didn't say about use of AI in Communtiy
Projects. <br>
<br>
I suggest we apply the rest of the criteria -
which, if memory serves incudes that the project
shows collaboration:<br>
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<<a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative</a>><br>
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We ask that the project demonstrate
collaboration, perhaps with a history of bug
report or pull requests.<br>
<br>
So I think this project qualifies. I've not
reviewed everything else but assuming it does
then I think it is ok. <br>
<br>
Please do share more thoughts everyone!<br>
<br>
My personal opinion is that it would be worth
making clear how you used AI coding agents Ian.
Perhaps this is something to add to the README
or CONTRINUTING files?<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
Nick. <br>
<br>
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<div dir="auto">On 28 September 2026 23:03:19
BST, Jody Garnett via Incubator <a
href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><incubator@lists.osgeo.org></a>
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<div dir="ltr"> The board has not really
provided guidance on vibe coding. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">My own personal opinion is that
open source requires collaboration - the
test our incubation process has is to have
input from several organizations (not just
several developers) in order to offer users
some assurance that a project will be
sustained. With that in mind, while I am
okay with AI being used for assistance /
reference, it has some weakness from the
sustainability angle.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">The above is my own take only;
there was some osgeo discussion over the
summer but I did not understand the result.</div>
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<div>- -<br>
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<div>Jody Garnett</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sep 28,
2026 at 2:55:04 PM, Ian Shiland <<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Even,
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<div>Yes. AI coding agents, mainly
Claude Code with Codex as a reviewer,
write most of GeoLens with guidance
from me. </div>
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<div>If this is grounds for
ineligibility, I'll withdraw the page
submission. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian</div>
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Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 5:27 PM Even
Rouault <<a
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>@Ian looking at the commit
history and pull request history,
this is obviously vibe coded. Can
you confirm ?</p>
<p>@Jody Is this OK for vibe coded
projects to be community projects
?</p>
<p>Even</p>
<div>Le 28/09/2026 à 23:15, Ian
Shiland via Incubator a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jody,<br>
<br>
<div>Thanks for the access. The
GeoLens project page is now
submitted for review. I left
the project type as None for
now and will switch it to
Community Project once the
committee confirms. Let me
know if anything on the page
needs changing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian</div>
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class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep
28, 2026 at 12:33 PM Jody
Garnett <<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Hi Ian,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I added you
as project author role, so
you should be able to
create a page now!<br>
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<div>Jody Garnett</div>
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Sep 20, 2026 at
7:42:07 AM, Ian Shiland
<<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jody,
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<div>I’ve confirmed
that my OSGeo
account, ishiland,
still cannot access
the Projects
dashboard - it
returns a permission
error. Could you
enable
project-author
access and confirm
the current status
of GeoLens’s
Community<br>
Project application?
The listing content
and logo are ready. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks, </div>
<div>Ian</div>
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Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at
1:42 PM Ian Shiland
<<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Jody,<br>
<br>
I have an OSGeo
user id now: <b>ishiland</b>.
Regina sent a
mantra through
sysadmin, so
registration is
done and a profile
has been created. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ian<br>
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class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 22, 2026 at 1:57 PM Ian Shiland <<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Jody, I've
requested a
mantra from <a
href="mailto:mantra-request@osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mantra-request@osgeo.org</a>
so I can
create the
account. I'll
send the user
id as soon as
it comes
through.<br>
<br>
<div>Thanks,<br>
Ian</div>
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class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 21, 2026 at 1:33 PM Jody Garnett <<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Hi Ian,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Please
provide your
osgeo user id,
and sign into
the <a
href="http://osgeo.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osgeo.org</a> website
to fill in
your profile
information.
Then I can
grant the
profile
permission to
make a new
project page.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">For
more
information
see: <a
href="https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/</a></div>
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<div>Jody
Garnett</div>
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class="gmail_attr">On Aug 21, 2026 at 6:33:34 AM, Ian Shiland via
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
<br>
I'd like to
apply for
OSGeo
Community
Project status
for GeoLens, a
self-hosted
geospatial
data catalog
and map
builder built
on PostGIS. It
ingests common
vector and
raster
formats,
serves them
through OGC
API -
Features, OGC
API - Records,
STAC and DCAT,
and includes a
web map
builder with
vector tiles.<br>
<ul>
<li>Repository: <a
href="https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens</a> (Apache-2.0)</li>
<li>User
documentation: <a
href="https://docs.getgeolens.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.getgeolens.com</a></li>
<li>Live
demo: <a
href="https://demo.getgeolens.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://demo.getgeolens.com</a></li>
<li>Contribution
policy:
.github/CONTRIBUTING.md
(DCO)</li>
<li>Code of
conduct:
CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
(Contributor
Covenant)</li>
<li>Issue
tracker and
discussions:
public on
GitHub</li>
</ul>
<div><span>The
first public
release was
June 2026 and
the project
has shipped
regular tagged
releases since
(currently
v1.14.1). The
repository has
issues and
pull requests
from outside
contributors,
and GeoLibre
(an OpenGeos
project) ships
a built-in
GeoLens
integration
that I've
contributed
fixes back to.</span></div>
<br>
If a project
listing on <a
href="http://osgeo.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osgeo.org</a> needs
to exist
before this
application,
point me at
the right
process and
I'll take care
of it.<br>
<br>
Happy to
answer any
questions.<br>
<br>
Ian Shiland<br>
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