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    <p>I'll be frank and very old school: human accountability is a joke
      when you delegate code writing and reviewing to bots. AI is
      destroying open source and everything else. Fuck it</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/09/2026 à 18:08, Ian Shiland a
      écrit :<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAOPNhHch6EQ77hfs+Uffcfeoex+og0hxHk0i0D-uH8CdfvwCeA@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div dir="ltr">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div dir="ltr">Hi Nick/Even - 
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>One of the main reasons for applying for the OSGeo
                Community Project status is to help with product
                direction and attract other contributors, using AI
                agents or otherwise. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I agree adding a section in CONTRIBUTING.md (human
                accountability, etc) makes sense; I also think having
                some standards for AGENTS.md is probably something to
                consider (testing, scope, and security expectations).
                I'm glad to do any of these if that is the direction the
                community aligns with. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I appreciate the discussion regardless of the outcome
                for GeoLens here. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            Ian
            <div><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2026
                  at 3:45 AM Even Rouault <<a
                    href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                  <div>
                    <p>Looking at
                      <a
href="https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens/graphs/contributors?from=27%2F06%2F2026"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens/graphs/contributors?from=27%2F06%2F2026</a>
                      , you can see that there were 4 other committers
                      than Ian (excluding dependabot), contributing a
                      grand total of 7 commits compared to Ian's 1095,
                      and looking at their commits, it is clear (from
                      the verbosity of the commit message) that 3 of
                      them also used an agent.  So the collaboration
                      space is limited to people using agents.</p>
                    <div>Le 29/09/2026 à 08:35, Nick Bearman via
                      Incubator a écrit :<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div dir="auto">Hello,<br>
                        <br>
                        Here are my thoughts. <br>
                        <br>
                        The board said they are not banning or enforcing
                        the use if AI, it is up to individual projects.
                        They didn't say about use of AI in Communtiy
                        Projects. <br>
                        <br>
                        I suggest we apply the rest of the criteria -
                        which, if memory serves incudes that the project
                        shows collaboration:<br>
                        <br>
                        <<a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative</a>><br>
                        <br>
                        We ask that the project demonstrate
                        collaboration, perhaps with a history of bug
                        report or pull requests.<br>
                        <br>
                        So I think this project qualifies. I've not
                        reviewed everything else but assuming it does
                        then I think it is ok. <br>
                        <br>
                        Please do share more thoughts everyone!<br>
                        <br>
                        My personal opinion is that it would be worth
                        making clear how you used AI coding agents Ian.
                        Perhaps this is something to add to the README
                        or CONTRINUTING  files?<br>
                        <br>
                        Best wishes<br>
                        Nick. <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
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                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div dir="auto">On 28 September 2026 23:03:19
                          BST, Jody Garnett via Incubator <a
                            href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><incubator@lists.osgeo.org></a>
                          wrote:</div>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                          <div dir="ltr"> The board has not really
                            provided guidance on vibe coding. </div>
                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="ltr">My own personal opinion is that
                            open source requires collaboration - the
                            test our incubation process has is to have
                            input from several organizations (not just
                            several developers) in order to offer users
                            some assurance that a project will be
                            sustained. With that in mind, while I am
                            okay with AI being used for assistance /
                            reference, it has some weakness from the
                            sustainability angle.</div>
                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="ltr">The above is my own take only;
                            there was some osgeo discussion over the
                            summer but I did not understand the result.</div>
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div>
                              <div class="gmail_signature">
                                <div dir="ltr">
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>- -<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Jody Garnett</div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sep 28,
                              2026 at 2:55:04 PM, Ian Shiland <<a
                                href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" type="cite">
                              <div dir="ltr">Hi Even,  
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Yes. AI coding agents, mainly
                                  Claude Code with Codex as a reviewer,
                                  write most of GeoLens with guidance
                                  from me. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>If this is grounds for
                                  ineligibility, I'll withdraw the page
                                  submission. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Ian</div>
                              </div>
                              <br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 5:27 PM Even
                                  Rouault <<a
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div>
                                    <p>Hi,</p>
                                    <p>@Ian looking at the commit
                                      history and pull request history,
                                      this is obviously vibe coded. Can
                                      you confirm ?</p>
                                    <p>@Jody  Is this OK for vibe coded
                                      projects to be community projects
                                      ?</p>
                                    <p>Even</p>
                                    <div>Le 28/09/2026 à 23:15, Ian
                                      Shiland via Incubator a écrit :<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Jody,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>Thanks for the access. The
                                          GeoLens project page is now
                                          submitted for review. I left
                                          the project type as None for
                                          now and will switch it to
                                          Community Project once the
                                          committee confirms. Let me
                                          know if anything on the page
                                          needs changing.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Ian</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                          class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep
                                          28, 2026 at 12:33 PM Jody
                                          Garnett <<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"> Hi Ian,</div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="ltr">I added you
                                              as project author role, so
                                              you should be able to
                                              create a page now!<br>
                                              <div>
                                                <div
class="gmail_signature">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div>- -<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Jody Garnett</div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                class="gmail_attr">On
                                                Sep 20, 2026 at
                                                7:42:07 AM, Ian Shiland
                                                <<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote
                                                class="gmail_quote"
                                                type="cite">
                                                <div dir="ltr">Hi Jody, 
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>I’ve confirmed
                                                    that my OSGeo
                                                    account, ishiland,
                                                    still cannot access
                                                    the Projects
                                                    dashboard - it
                                                    returns a permission
                                                    error. Could you
                                                    enable
                                                    project-author
                                                    access and confirm
                                                    the current status
                                                    of GeoLens’s
                                                    Community<br>
                                                    Project application?
                                                    The listing content
                                                    and logo are ready. </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Thanks, </div>
                                                  <div>Ian</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr"
                                                    class="gmail_attr">On
                                                    Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at
                                                    1:42 PM Ian Shiland
                                                    <<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                      Jody,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I have an OSGeo
                                                      user id now: <b>ishiland</b>.
                                                      Regina sent a
                                                      mantra through
                                                      sysadmin, so
                                                      registration is
                                                      done and a profile
                                                      has been created. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Thanks,<br>
                                                      Ian<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div
class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 22, 2026 at 1:57 PM Ian Shiland <<a
href="mailto:ishiland@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ishiland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
class="gmail_quote">
                                                        <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                          Jody, I've
                                                          requested a
                                                          mantra from <a
href="mailto:mantra-request@osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mantra-request@osgeo.org</a>
                                                          so I can
                                                          create the
                                                          account. I'll
                                                          send the user
                                                          id as soon as
                                                          it comes
                                                          through.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Thanks,<br>
                                                          Ian</div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div
class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 21, 2026 at 1:33 PM Jody Garnett <<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          Hi Ian,</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Please
                                                          provide your
                                                          osgeo user id,
                                                          and sign into
                                                          the <a
href="http://osgeo.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osgeo.org</a> website
                                                          to fill in
                                                          your profile
                                                          information.
                                                          Then I can
                                                          grant the
                                                          profile
                                                          permission to
                                                          make a new
                                                          project page.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">For
                                                          more
                                                          information
                                                          see: <a
href="https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/</a></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
class="gmail_signature">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>- -<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Jody
                                                          Garnett</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Aug 21, 2026 at 6:33:34 AM, Ian Shiland via
                                                          Incubator <<a
href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
class="gmail_quote" type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I'd like to
                                                          apply for
                                                          OSGeo
                                                          Community
                                                          Project status
                                                          for GeoLens, a
                                                          self-hosted
                                                          geospatial
                                                          data catalog
                                                          and map
                                                          builder built
                                                          on PostGIS. It
                                                          ingests common
                                                          vector and
                                                          raster
                                                          formats,
                                                          serves them
                                                          through OGC
                                                          API -
                                                          Features, OGC
                                                          API - Records,
                                                          STAC and DCAT,
                                                          and includes a
                                                          web map
                                                          builder with
                                                          vector tiles.<br>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>Repository: <a
href="https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/geolens-io/geolens</a> (Apache-2.0)</li>
                                                          <li>User
                                                          documentation: <a
href="https://docs.getgeolens.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.getgeolens.com</a></li>
                                                          <li>Live
                                                          demo: <a
href="https://demo.getgeolens.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://demo.getgeolens.com</a></li>
                                                          <li>Contribution
                                                          policy:
                                                          .github/CONTRIBUTING.md
                                                          (DCO)</li>
                                                          <li>Code of
                                                          conduct:
                                                          CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
                                                          (Contributor
                                                          Covenant)</li>
                                                          <li>Issue
                                                          tracker and
                                                          discussions:
                                                          public on
                                                          GitHub</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <div><span>The
                                                          first public
                                                          release was
                                                          June 2026 and
                                                          the project
                                                          has shipped
                                                          regular tagged
                                                          releases since
                                                          (currently
                                                          v1.14.1). The
                                                          repository has
                                                          issues and
                                                          pull requests
                                                          from outside
                                                          contributors,
                                                          and GeoLibre
                                                          (an OpenGeos
                                                          project) ships
                                                          a built-in
                                                          GeoLens
                                                          integration
                                                          that I've
                                                          contributed
                                                          fixes back to.</span></div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If a project
                                                          listing on <a
href="http://osgeo.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osgeo.org</a> needs
                                                          to exist
                                                          before this
                                                          application,
                                                          point me at
                                                          the right
                                                          process and
                                                          I'll take care
                                                          of it.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Happy to
                                                          answer any
                                                          questions.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ian Shiland<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Incubator
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a><br>
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My software is free, but my time generally not.
LLMs contribute to global warming and brain rot.
Let's guillotine them! "Ah ! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira !"</pre>
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My software is free, but my time generally not.
LLMs contribute to global warming and brain rot.
Let's guillotine them! "Ah ! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira !"</pre>
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