<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Agree with Peter here.<div><br></div><div>And that’s why it’s so important that the marketing committee at OSGeo gets revived, it’s been dormant for years and years. The board should also make sure there is sufficient budget associated with it for it to operate.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Bart</div><div><br><div><div>On 25 Aug 2014, at 09:32, Peter Baumann <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">extremely important discussion, great
to see the pieces come together! <br>
We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the public,
OSGeo needs a comprehensive, carefully crafted communication
strategy, including clear-cut messages suitable for the target
groups (not ourselves!), manifest, eg, in ready-made slide decks,
posters and flyers that can be readily printed & distributed;
plus well-defined, efficient decision processes - ie, the board
needs a mandate to act (& delegate).<br>
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my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
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PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but IMHO we
shouldn't open yet another challenge while the basic one -
effective market communication - is still unsolved.<br>
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On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:<br>
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charset=ISO-8859-1"><p dir="ltr">Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak on
behalf of OSGeo. Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list,
and informs/asks for permission to speak on behalf of OSGeo. </p><p dir="ltr">Board members are going to some events, but as
already said, we have big community of autonomous people and
this is our strength.</p><p dir="ltr">So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on
some event, ask in the list and talk about it.</p><p dir="ltr">What we are missing are some rules regarding our
brand and representation used on business cards ... Funny, topic
actually</p><p dir="ltr">Jachym</p><p dir="ltr">Send from cellphone</p><p dir="ltr">-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz/">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a></p><p dir="ltr">Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org/">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">I agree with this, but
on other side, we need some rules how to do this. I
was in past in leadership of other organisation EFITA
and now I am in leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in
any case, there are necessary to define rules, how to
go, how to speak on behalf of community. It is not
good and impossible if for example anybody will speak
or make presentation on behalf of Community. In such
case, it could be chaos. For example to have
presentation on conferences or eventually organise
some exhibition has to be task of responsible persons
(Probably board of President), I can promote OSGEO as
part of our activities, but I cannot go for example to
European Commission and speak on behalf of OSGEO.
Every time some responsibility is necessary</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">Karel</span></p><div><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>; Even
Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Industry] development model vs
business model</span></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Hi Karel,</p><p>As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as
possible, but it never is one man show. You are
registered as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as other
community members. It was always said, that community is
our biggest strength. And this is the case.</p><p>Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach other
communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our community,
to support it.</p><p>Just 2 cents</p><p>Jachym</p><p>Send from cellphone</p><p>-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz/" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a></p><p>Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org/" target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
wrote:</p>
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
all,<br>
I would like make some comments from position of
business. I am new in this forum, but I am long time
involved as manager in integration of system and
development of software (mainly OS}. We are using
OSGEO products and we are also trying to put our
development towards community, so support OS
development (not OSGEO products, there we have only
small contribution).<br>
But I have to say, that not many others companies in
Czech are doing the same and probably they don’t
plan to do the some. I am sure, that most of them
respect license, but they use OS in the some way as
proprietary software, only without obligation to pay
(and this is main reason).<br>
It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade
branch, but what is necessary to start build OSGEPO
brand. I am afraid, that most of developers and also
customers (public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not way,
how to reach community. I am sure, that information
about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well reaching community
OSGEO community, but not to much outside. So there
is necessary, that OSGEO will be active outside of
FOSS4GI events, local national European, Global.
Only this is the way.<br>
I think that in Czech Jachym start to do it in good
way, but all is long process<br>
Karel<br>
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
To: Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model<br>
<br>
Even,<br>
<br>
On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
> Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz
Łoskot a écrit :<br>
>> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> reacting on the comments of Mateusz:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry for crossposting, but this
snippet from the thread<br>
[...]<br>
><br>
> If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open
source" label (or more<br>
> specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"),
it would be difficult<br>
> to do that in a ... fair way, because you would
have to measure<br>
> somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo
with respect to the value made by using OSGeo
software.<br>
The fact something will be difficult does not mean
impossible.<br>
The first thing we would have to do is to define why
open source (in general - but as far as we are
concerned for Geo) is important, and what is "fair"
and what is not.<br>
This can be done by listening to people who are
using open source for business. Why they choose for
OSGeo software, and what they think is fair (or only
legal).<br>
<br>
I think a good opportunity to start with this is the
proposed business track on the next FOSS4G-Europe
conference. The idea's for such a business track are
being discussed in the thread "when and where" [1].<br>
From such testimonials we can learn what "we" define
as "Fair" and establish guidelines, which when
followed allows a business entity, an academic user
or an administration to label themselves as
respecting these guidelines.<br>
This could be a good first start for this difficult
task.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Even<br>
D.<br>
[1]<br>
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