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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">indeed, Dirk, you are right: we can
already, if we want to :)<br>
-Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 08/25/2014 09:52 AM, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
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Peter,<br>
<br>
"the board needs a mandate to act (& delegate)."<br>
<br>
The board *has* a mandate to act & delegate bylaw.<br>
The board is responsible for the representation of the
organisation. <br>
<br>
The only thing: the board needs to *use* this mandate to act &
delegate.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
D.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25-08-14 09:32, Peter Baumann
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">extremely important discussion,
great to see the pieces come together! <br>
We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the
public, OSGeo needs a comprehensive, carefully crafted
communication strategy, including clear-cut messages suitable
for the target groups (not ourselves!), manifest, eg, in
ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can be readily
printed & distributed; plus well-defined, efficient
decision processes - ie, the board needs a mandate to act
(& delegate).<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but IMHO we
shouldn't open yet another challenge while the basic one -
effective market communication - is still unsolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Not so fast, there are already rules, how to
speak on behalf of OSGeo. Everybody always drops an e-mail
to the list, and informs/asks for permission to speak on
behalf of OSGeo. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Board members are going to some events, but as
already said, we have big community of autonomous people and
this is our strength.</p>
<p dir="ltr">So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented
on some event, ask in the list and talk about it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What we are missing are some rules regarding our
brand and representation used on business cards ... Funny,
topic actually</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jachym</p>
<p dir="ltr">Send from cellphone</p>
<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
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<p dir="ltr">Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">I agree
with this, but on other side, we need some rules
how to do this. I was in past in leadership of
other organisation EFITA and now I am in
leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case,
there are necessary to define rules, how to go,
how to speak on behalf of community. It is not
good and impossible if for example anybody will
speak or make presentation on behalf of Community.
In such case, it could be chaos. For example to
have presentation on conferences or eventually
organise some exhibition has to be task of
responsible persons (Probably board of President),
I can promote OSGEO as part of our activities, but
I cannot go for example to European Commission and
speak on behalf of OSGEO. Every time some
responsibility is necessary</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">Karel</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"> Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Industry] development model
vs business model</span></p>
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<p>Hi Karel,</p>
<p>As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as
possible, but it never is one man show. You are
registered as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as
other community members. It was always said, that
community is our biggest strength. And this is the
case.</p>
<p>Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach
other communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our
community, to support it.</p>
<p>Just 2 cents</p>
<p>Jachym</p>
<p>Send from cellphone</p>
<p>-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
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<p>Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
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href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org"
target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
all,<br>
I would like make some comments from position
of business. I am new in this forum, but I am
long time involved as manager in integration of
system and development of software (mainly OS}.
We are using OSGEO products and we are also
trying to put our development towards community,
so support OS development (not OSGEO products,
there we have only small contribution).<br>
But I have to say, that not many others
companies in Czech are doing the same and
probably they don’t plan to do the some. I am
sure, that most of them respect license, but
they use OS in the some way as proprietary
software, only without obligation to pay (and
this is main reason).<br>
It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade
branch, but what is necessary to start build
OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that most of
developers and also customers (public servant's}
are aware about OSGEO.<br>
And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not
way, how to reach community. I am sure, that
information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well
reaching community OSGEO community, but not to
much outside. So there is necessary, that OSGEO
will be active outside of FOSS4GI events, local
national European, Global. Only this is the way.<br>
I think that in Czech Jachym start to do it in
good way, but all is long process<br>
Karel<br>
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
To: Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model<br>
<br>
Even,<br>
<br>
On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
> Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz
Łoskot a écrit :<br>
>> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> reacting on the comments of
Mateusz:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne
wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry for crossposting, but
this snippet from the thread<br>
[...]<br>
><br>
> If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open
source" label (or more<br>
> specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo
software"), it would be difficult<br>
> to do that in a ... fair way, because you
would have to measure<br>
> somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo
with respect to the value made by using OSGeo
software.<br>
The fact something will be difficult does not
mean impossible.<br>
The first thing we would have to do is to define
why open source (in general - but as far as we
are concerned for Geo) is important, and what is
"fair" and what is not.<br>
This can be done by listening to people who are
using open source for business. Why they choose
for OSGeo software, and what they think is fair
(or only legal).<br>
<br>
I think a good opportunity to start with this is
the proposed business track on the next
FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's for such a
business track are being discussed in the thread
"when and where" [1].<br>
From such testimonials we can learn what "we"
define as "Fair" and establish guidelines, which
when followed allows a business entity, an
academic user or an administration to label
themselves as respecting these guidelines.<br>
This could be a good first start for this
difficult task.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Even<br>
D.<br>
[1]<br>
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<br>
<br>
ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
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CEO
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B-9030 Ghent
Tel: +32 9 236 60 18
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- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
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