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    exactly Peter,<br>
    <br>
    and to find if we want to is IMHO the purpose of this industry list.<br>
    so If we can agree on what should be done, we can propose this to
    the OSGeo-discuss list and then the board is eligible to formalize
    the proposition and take the responsibility for the execution of the
    decision. (time & budget).<br>
    <br>
    D. <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25-08-14 10:12, Peter Baumann wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">indeed, Dirk, you are right: we can
        already, if we want to :)<br>
        -Peter<br>
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        <br>
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        On 08/25/2014 09:52 AM, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
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        Peter,<br>
        <br>
        "the board needs a mandate to act (& delegate)."<br>
        <br>
        The board *has* a mandate to act & delegate bylaw.<br>
        The board is responsible for the representation of the
        organisation. <br>
        <br>
        The only thing: the board needs to *use* this mandate to act
        & delegate.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        D.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25-08-14 09:32, Peter Baumann
          wrote:<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">extremely important discussion,
            great to see the pieces come together! <br>
            We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the
            public, OSGeo needs a comprehensive, carefully crafted
            communication strategy, including clear-cut messages
            suitable for the target groups (not ourselves!), manifest,
            eg, in ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can
            be readily printed & distributed; plus well-defined,
            efficient decision processes - ie, the board needs a mandate
            to act (& delegate).<br>
            <br>
            my 2 cents,<br>
            Peter<br>
            <br>
            PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but IMHO
            we shouldn't open yet another challenge while the basic one
            - effective market communication - is still unsolved.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">Not so fast, there are already rules, how to
              speak on behalf of OSGeo. Everybody always drops an e-mail
              to the list, and informs/asks for permission to speak on
              behalf of OSGeo. </p>
            <p dir="ltr">Board members are going to some events, but as
              already said, we have big community of autonomous people
              and this is our strength.</p>
            <p dir="ltr">So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented
              on some event, ask in the list and talk about it.</p>
            <p dir="ltr">What we are missing are some rules regarding
              our brand and representation used on business cards ...
              Funny, topic actually</p>
            <p dir="ltr">Jachym</p>
            <p dir="ltr">Send from cellphone</p>
            <p dir="ltr">-- <br>
              Jachym Cepicky<br>
              e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
              URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
              GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a></p>
            <p dir="ltr">Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel
              Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                        color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">I agree
                        with this, but on other side, we need some rules
                        how to do this. I was in past in leadership of
                        other organisation EFITA and now  I am in
                        leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case,
                        there are necessary to define rules, how to go,
                        how to speak on behalf of community. It is not
                        good and impossible  if for example anybody will
                        speak or make presentation on behalf of
                        Community. In such case, it could be chaos.  For
                        example to have presentation on conferences or
                        eventually organise some exhibition has to be
                        task of responsible persons (Probably board of
                        President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our
                        activities, but I cannot go for example to
                        European Commission and speak on behalf of
                        OSGEO. Every time some responsibility is
                        necessary</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                        color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">Karel</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                        color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:
                          11pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
                        11pt;"> Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org"
                          target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
                        Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
                          target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Industry] development model
                        vs business model</span></p>
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                    <p>Hi Karel,</p>
                    <p>As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as
                      possible, but it never is one man show. You are
                      registered as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as
                      other community members. It was always said, that
                      community is our biggest strength. And this is the
                      case.</p>
                    <p>Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach
                      other communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our
                      community, to support it.</p>
                    <p>Just 2 cents</p>
                    <p>Jachym</p>
                    <p>Send from cellphone</p>
                    <p>-- <br>
                      Jachym Cepicky<br>
                      e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
                      URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://les-ejk.cz" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
                      GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp"
                        target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a></p>
                    <p>Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org"
                        target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM,
                        "Karel Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>



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                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi all,<br>
                          I would like make some comments from position
                          of  business. I am new in this forum, but I am
                          long time involved as manager in integration
                          of system and development of software (mainly
                          OS}. We are using OSGEO products and we are
                          also trying to put our development towards
                          community, so support OS development (not
                          OSGEO products, there we have only small
                          contribution).<br>
                          But I have to say, that not many others
                          companies in Czech are doing the same and
                          probably they don’t plan to do the some. I am
                          sure, that most of them respect license, but
                          they use OS in the some way as proprietary
                          software, only without obligation to pay (and
                          this is main reason).<br>
                          It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair
                          trade branch, but what is necessary to start
                          build OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that most of
                          developers and also customers (public
                          servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
                          And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not
                          way, how to reach community. I am sure, that
                          information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well
                          reaching community OSGEO community, but not to
                          much outside. So there is necessary, that
                          OSGEO will be active outside of FOSS4GI
                          events, local national European, Global. Only
                          this is the way.<br>
                          I think  that in Czech Jachym start to do it
                          in good way, but all is long process<br>
                          Karel<br>
                          <br>
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                          -----Original Message-----<br>
                          From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            target="_blank">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
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                          On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
                          Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
                          To: Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org"
                            target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                          Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs
                          business model<br>
                          <br>
                          Even,<br>
                          <br>
                          On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
                          > Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45,
                          Mateusz Łoskot a écrit :<br>
                          >> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
                            target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>


                          wrote:<br>
                          >>> reacting on the comments of
                          Mateusz:<br>
                          >>><br>
                          >>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne
                          wrote:<br>
                          >>>> Sorry for crossposting, but
                          this snippet from the thread<br>
                          [...]<br>
                          ><br>
                          > If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open
                          source" label (or more<br>
                          > specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo
                          software"),  it would be difficult<br>
                          > to do that in a ... fair way, because you
                          would have to measure<br>
                          > somehow the value contributed back to
                          OSGeo with respect to the value made by using
                          OSGeo software.<br>
                          The fact something will be difficult does not
                          mean impossible.<br>
                          The first thing we would have to do is to
                          define why open source (in general - but as
                          far as we are concerned for Geo) is important,
                          and what is "fair" and what is not.<br>
                          This can be done by listening to people who
                          are using open source for business. Why they
                          choose for OSGeo software, and what they think
                          is fair (or only legal).<br>
                          <br>
                          I think a good opportunity to start with this
                          is the proposed business track on the next
                          FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's for such
                          a business track are being discussed in the
                          thread "when and where" [1].<br>
                          From such testimonials we can learn what "we"
                          define as "Fair" and establish guidelines,
                          which when followed allows a business entity,
                          an academic user or an administration to label
                          themselves as respecting these guidelines.<br>
                          This could be a good first start for this
                          difficult task.<br>
                          <br>
                          ><br>
                          > Even<br>
                          D.<br>
                          [1]<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html"
                            target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html</a><br>
                          <br>
                          --<br>
                          Yours sincerely,<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
                          CEO<br>
                          <br>
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                          B-9030 Ghent<br>
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          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="80">-- 
Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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Yours sincerely,


ir. Dirk Frigne
CEO

Geosparc n.v.
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Tel: +32 9 236 60 18 
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Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
   mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
   tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
   tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)


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Yours sincerely,


ir. Dirk Frigne
CEO

Geosparc n.v.
Brugsesteenweg 587
B-9030 Ghent
Tel: +32 9 236 60 18 
GSM: +32 495 508 799

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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.geosparc.com">http://www.geosparc.com</a>
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