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I like the concept of defining "Fair Trade Open Source".<br>
But I think it needs to be more than "we use open source so we
should give a bit back to the community". Almost every developer,
and many managers will agree with that statement, but when it comes
to final signoff on a program of work, and there is a question
between keeping extra features or keeping the "give back to the
community", keeping features wins.<br>
<br>
In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair Trade Open Source"
should be explained as a value proposition to the business, and the
message will change for each customer.<br>
<br>
For large programs, typically from government, buying into Fair
Trade should start with a policy statement which explains:<br>
* Our business is strategically improved by X, Y, and Z Open Source
projects<br>
* When these projects do well, we do well<br>
* A successful Open Source project includes more than our list of
features, but also a strong community and set of processes, and
testing, etc<br>
* As such, we will invest X% of our budget on Business As Usual open
source tasks which includes A, B, C.<br>
<br>
This policy statement can then be referenced during purchasing and
development cycles to justify selection of "give a bit back to the
community" over extra features.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/08/2014 12:21 am, Camille Acey
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all, <br>
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I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but just wanted to
speak up and mention that my friend and colleague Sumana
Harihareswara gave a talk at 2010 OpenSource Bridge entitled "<a
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Second Step: HOWTO encourage open source work at for-profits</a>".
There is still a lot of education that needs to be done in
order to empower and encourage companies that use FLOSS to
contribute back to the FLOSS projects. IMHO, that is where the
work needs to be focused . Hopefully that talk can help you
in getting a slide deck and/or other such marketing and
education materials together.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Cheers,</div>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15 +0200<br>
From: Peter Baumann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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To: Jachym Cepicky <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>,
Karel Charvat<br>
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Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business
model<br>
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extremely important discussion, great to see the pieces
come together!<br>
We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the
public, OSGeo needs a<br>
comprehensive, carefully crafted communication strategy,
including clear-cut<br>
messages suitable for the target groups (not
ourselves!), manifest, eg, in<br>
ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can be
readily printed &<br>
distributed; plus well-defined, efficient decision
processes - ie, the board<br>
needs a mandate to act (& delegate).<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but
IMHO we shouldn't open<br>
yet another challenge while the basic one - effective
market communication - is<br>
still unsolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:<br>
><br>
> Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak
on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
> Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list, and
informs/asks for permission<br>
> to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> Board members are going to some events, but as
already said, we have big<br>
> community of autonomous people and this is our
strength.<br>
><br>
> So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on
some event, ask in the list<br>
> and talk about it.<br>
><br>
> What we are missing are some rules regarding our
brand and representation used<br>
> on business cards ... Funny, topic actually<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
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><br>
> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
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target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
><br>
> On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree with this, but on other side, we need
some rules how to do this. I<br>
> was in past in leadership of other organisation
EFITA and now I am in<br>
> leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case,
there are necessary to<br>
> define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf
of community. It is not<br>
> good and impossible if for example anybody
will speak or make<br>
> presentation on behalf of Community. In such
case, it could be chaos. For<br>
> example to have presentation on conferences or
eventually organise some<br>
> exhibition has to be task of responsible
persons (Probably board of<br>
> President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our
activities, but I cannot go<br>
> for example to European Commission and speak on
behalf of OSGEO. Every<br>
> time some responsibility is necessary<br>
><br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
> *From:*Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>]<br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
> *To:* Karel Charvat<br>
> *Cc:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>>;
Even<br>
> Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [Industry] development model vs
business model<br>
><br>
> Hi Karel,<br>
><br>
> As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as
possible, but it never is<br>
> one man show. You are registered as OSGeo
advocate as well, as well as<br>
> other community members. It was always said,
that community is our biggest<br>
> strength. And this is the case.<br>
><br>
> Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach
other communities. But<br>
> Foss4g-europe is about our community, to
support it.<br>
><br>
> Just 2 cents<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
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> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
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target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
><br>
> On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel Charvat" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
> I would like make some comments from
position of business. I am new in<br>
> this forum, but I am long time involved as
manager in integration of<br>
> system and development of software (mainly
OS}. We are using OSGEO<br>
> products and we are also trying to put our
development towards<br>
> community, so support OS development (not
OSGEO products, there we<br>
> have only small contribution).<br>
> But I have to say, that not many others
companies in Czech are doing<br>
> the same and probably they don't plan to do
the some. I am sure, that<br>
> most of them respect license, but they use
OS in the some way as<br>
> proprietary software, only without
obligation to pay (and this is main<br>
> reason).<br>
> It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair
trade branch, but what is<br>
> necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am
afraid, that most of<br>
> developers and also customers (public
servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
> And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are
not way, how to reach<br>
> community. I am sure, that information
about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well<br>
> reaching community OSGEO community, but not
to much outside. So there<br>
> is necessary, that OSGEO will be active
outside of FOSS4GI events,<br>
> local national European, Global. Only this
is the way.<br>
> I think that in Czech Jachym start to do
it in good way, but all is<br>
> long process<br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
> To: Even Rouault; <a
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> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Subject: Re: [Industry] development model
vs business model<br>
><br>
> Even,<br>
><br>
> On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
> > Le vendredi 22 ao?t 2014 15:45:45,
Mateusz ?oskot a ?crit :<br>
> >> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk
Frigne <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
> >>> reacting on the comments of
Mateusz:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne
wrote:<br>
> >>>> Sorry for crossposting,
but this snippet from the thread<br>
> [...]<br>
> ><br>
> > If we were to deliver a "Fair trade
open source" label (or more<br>
> > specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo
software"), it would be difficult<br>
> > to do that in a ... fair way, because
you would have to measure<br>
> > somehow the value contributed back to
OSGeo with respect to the<br>
> value made by using OSGeo software.<br>
> The fact something will be difficult does
not mean impossible.<br>
> The first thing we would have to do is to
define why open source (in<br>
> general - but as far as we are concerned
for Geo) is important, and<br>
> what is "fair" and what is not.<br>
> This can be done by listening to people who
are using open source for<br>
> business. Why they choose for OSGeo
software, and what they think is<br>
> fair (or only legal).<br>
><br>
> I think a good opportunity to start with
this is the proposed business<br>
> track on the next FOSS4G-Europe conference.
The idea's for such a<br>
> business track are being discussed in the
thread "when and where" [1].<br>
> From such testimonials we can learn what
"we" define as "Fair" and<br>
> establish guidelines, which when followed
allows a business entity, an<br>
> academic user or an administration to label
themselves as respecting<br>
> these guidelines.<br>
> This could be a good first start for this
difficult task.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Even<br>
> D.<br>
> [1]<br>
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> --<br>
> Yours sincerely,<br>
><br>
><br>
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