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    +1 for the "label" idea.<br>
    <br>
    @Bruce, Peter: +1 for "no one size fits all" <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27-08-14 08:44, Peter Baumann wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">good point! Focusing on exactly one
        model and condemning all others leads us into the dogmatic
        corner. The world is colorfoul, and there is plenty of room for
        creativity and business models.<br>
        I do like the "fair trade" term, and I'd put it up as a label
        (not an obligation) similar to ISO 9000 certification, or
        better: CMMI because then you can assign a degree of achievement
        rather than a boolean. Then agencies, eg, can establish a policy
        of favouring "fair trade" offers.<br>
        <br>
        -Peter<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        On 08/27/2014 08:08 AM, Karel Charvat wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Hi, I don’t know, if this is right way. If we
              will put any such obligation to FOSS, then you will only
              give arguments to proprietary software producers and
              mainly ESRI against  FOSS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">I think, that there is necessary to look for
              alternative sources of financing:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"> Something like dual licencing or direct
              support from developers for end user and developers. I
              think, that something such is used outside of GI community
              by Liferay or inside of community offer such solution
              Geoserver, if I am right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Training and mainly certification. In many
              public tenders you are required demonstrate, that you are
              certified as certified developers. This could be income
              and also chance to improve position of OS against
              proprietary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">And for starting projects are important
              grants, Universities, national, European, NASA, Pentagon
              others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><br>
              Most of successful projects started with grants<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Karel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Bannerman<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:44 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Industry] development model vs
                  business model [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
                agree with the general gist of this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The

                obligations are to more than just companies reselling
                open source. It also relates to users and user
                organisations. See related thread initiated by Dirk on
                Discuss [1].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">We

                need a simple message relating to the ‘total cost of
                ownership’. All software costs money to develop and
                maintain. The cost borne by user organisations could
                well be contribution back to the relevant open source
                communities. Once they get experience, this will in turn
                lead to opportunities for getting faster return and
                implementation on the functionality that they require
                operationally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Following

                on from Cameron’s comments on government policy, we are
                already seeing policies in place that recommend
                contributions back to open source communities, e.g.:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">-
                Australian Government Open Source Policy [1] Principle 3
                (Section 3.1 p11) p states “</span><span
                style="color:black">Australian Government agencies will
                actively participate in open source<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">software
                communities and contribute back where appropriate.</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">”.</span><span
                style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
                understand that other governments have similar policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Therefore

                the ‘fair trade’ message could well be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">[1] <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">[2] <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf">http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:

                </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cameron

                Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
                <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 26 August 2014 7:22<br>
                <b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Industry] development model vs
                business model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
                    like the concept of defining "Fair Trade Open
                    Source".<br>
                    But I think it needs to be more than "we use open
                    source so we should give a bit back to the
                    community". Almost every developer, and many
                    managers will agree with that statement, but when it
                    comes to final signoff on a program of work, and
                    there is a question between keeping extra features
                    or keeping the "give back to the community", keeping
                    features wins.<br>
                    <br>
                    In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair Trade
                    Open Source" should be explained as a value
                    proposition to the business, and the message will
                    change for each customer.<br>
                    <br>
                    For large programs, typically from government,
                    buying into Fair Trade should start with a policy
                    statement which explains:<br>
                    * Our business is strategically improved by X, Y,
                    and Z Open Source projects<br>
                    * When these projects do well, we do well<br>
                    * A successful Open Source project includes more
                    than our list of features, but also a strong
                    community and set of processes, and testing, etc<br>
                    * As such, we will invest X% of our budget on
                    Business As Usual open source tasks which includes
                    A, B, C.<br>
                    <br>
                    This policy statement can then be referenced during
                    purchasing and development cycles to justify
                    selection of "give a bit back to the community" over
                    extra features.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On

                      26/08/2014 12:21 am, Camille Acey wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Hi

                          all, <br>
                          <br>
                          I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but
                          just wanted to speak up and mention that my
                          friend and colleague Sumana Harihareswara gave
                          a talk at 2010 OpenSource Bridge entitled "<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits">The

                            Second Step: HOWTO encourage open source
                            work at for-profits</a>". There is still a
                          lot of education that needs to be done in
                          order to empower and encourage companies that
                          use FLOSS to contribute back to the FLOSS
                          projects. IMHO, that is where the work needs
                          to be focused .  Hopefully that talk can help
                          you in getting a slide deck and/or other such
                          marketing and education materials together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Camille

                              E. Acey</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
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                              Message: 1<br>
                              Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15 +0200<br>
                              From: Peter Baumann <<a
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                                href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
                              To: Jachym Cepicky <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>,

                              Karel Charvat<br>
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                                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>><br>
                              Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                              Subject: Re: [Industry] development model
                              vs business model<br>
                              Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              extremely important discussion, great to
                              see the pieces come together!<br>
                              We're getting at it: like any organization
                              acting in the public, OSGeo needs a<br>
                              comprehensive, carefully crafted
                              communication strategy, including
                              clear-cut<br>
                              messages suitable for the target groups
                              (not ourselves!), manifest, eg, in<br>
                              ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers
                              that can be readily printed &<br>
                              distributed; plus well-defined, efficient
                              decision processes - ie, the board<br>
                              needs a mandate to act (& delegate).<br>
                              <br>
                              my 2 cents,<br>
                              Peter<br>
                              <br>
                              PS: I agree that "fair trade open source"
                              is nice, but IMHO we shouldn't open<br>
                              yet another challenge while the basic one
                              - effective market communication - is<br>
                              still unsolved.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky
                              wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Not so fast, there are already rules,
                              how to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
                              > Everybody always drops an e-mail to
                              the list, and informs/asks for permission<br>
                              > to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Board members are going to some
                              events, but as already said, we have big<br>
                              > community of autonomous people and
                              this is our strength.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > So, once you would like to have OSGeo
                              presented on some event, ask in the list<br>
                              > and talk about it.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > What we are missing are some rules
                              regarding our brand and representation
                              used<br>
                              > on business cards ... Funny, topic
                              actually<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Jachym<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Send from cellphone<br>
                              ><br>
                              > --<br>
                              > Jachym Cepicky<br>
                              > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
                              > URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://les-ejk.cz" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
                              > GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp"
                                target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              > Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org"
                                target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              > On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel
                              Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
                              > <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>

                              wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     I agree with this, but on other
                              side, we need some rules how to do this. I<br>
                              >     was in past in leadership of
                              other organisation EFITA and now  I am in<br>
                              >     leadership of Club of Ossiach.
                              But in any case, there are necessary to<br>
                              >     define rules, how to go, how to
                              speak on behalf of community. It is not<br>
                              >     good and impossible  if for
                              example anybody will speak or make<br>
                              >     presentation on behalf of
                              Community. In such case, it could be
                              chaos.  For<br>
                              >     example to have presentation on
                              conferences or eventually organise some<br>
                              >     exhibition has to be task of
                              responsible persons (Probably board of<br>
                              >     President), I can promote OSGEO
                              as part of our activities, but I cannot go<br>
                              >     for example to European
                              Commission and speak on behalf of OSGEO.
                              Every<br>
                              >     time some responsibility is
                              necessary<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Karel<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     *From:*Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a><br>
                              >     <mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>]<br>
                              >     *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014
                              9:31 PM<br>
                              >     *To:* Karel Charvat<br>
                              >     *Cc:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                              <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>>;

                              Even<br>
                              >     Rouault; <a
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                                href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>
                              <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>><br>
                              >     *Subject:* RE: [Industry]
                              development model vs business model<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Hi Karel,<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     As you said, I try to promote
                              OSGeo as much as possible, but it never is<br>
                              >     one man show. You are registered
                              as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as<br>
                              >     other community members. It was
                              always said, that community is our biggest<br>
                              >     strength. And this is the case.<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Yes, we have to step out of our
                              nich, to reach other communities. But<br>
                              >     Foss4g-europe is about our
                              community, to support it.<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Just 2 cents<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Jachym<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Send from cellphone<br>
                              ><br>
                              >     --<br>
                              >     Jachym Cepicky<br>
                              >     e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
                              >     URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://les-ejk.cz" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
                              >     GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp"
                                target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              >     Give your code freedom with PyWPS
                              -<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org"
                                target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              >     On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel
                              Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
                              >     <mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>

                              wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
                              >         Hi all,<br>
                              >         I would like make some
                              comments from position of business. I am
                              new in<br>
                              >         this forum, but I am long
                              time involved as manager in integration of<br>
                              >         system and development of
                              software (mainly OS}. We are using OSGEO<br>
                              >         products and we are also
                              trying to put our development towards<br>
                              >         community, so support OS
                              development (not OSGEO products, there we<br>
                              >         have only small
                              contribution).<br>
                              >         But I have to say, that not
                              many others companies in Czech are doing<br>
                              >         the same and probably they
                              don't plan to do the some. I am sure, that<br>
                              >         most of them respect license,
                              but they use OS in the some way as<br>
                              >         proprietary software, only
                              without obligation to pay (and this is
                              main<br>
                              >         reason).<br>
                              >         It is nice idea to start
                              promote FOSS Fair trade branch, but what
                              is<br>
                              >         necessary to start build
                              OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that most of<br>
                              >         developers and also customers
                              (public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
                              >         And FOSS4GI event (global or
                              European) are not way, how to reach<br>
                              >         community. I am sure, that
                              information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well<br>
                              >         reaching community OSGEO
                              community, but not to much outside. So
                              there<br>
                              >         is necessary, that OSGEO will
                              be active outside of FOSS4GI events,<br>
                              >         local national European,
                              Global. Only this is the way.<br>
                              >         I think  that in Czech Jachym
                              start to do it in good way, but all is<br>
                              >         long process<br>
                              >         Karel<br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              >         -----Original Message-----<br>
                              >         From: <a
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                                href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
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                              >         [mailto:<a
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                              On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
                              >         Sent: Saturday, August 23,
                              2014 11:28 AM<br>
                              >         To: Even Rouault; <a
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                                href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                              >         <mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
                              >         Subject: Re: [Industry]
                              development model vs business model<br>
                              ><br>
                              >         Even,<br>
                              ><br>
                              >         On 22-08-14 21:31, Even
                              Rouault wrote:<br>
                              >         > Le vendredi 22 ao?t 2014
                              15:45:45, Mateusz ?oskot a ?crit :<br>
                              >         >> On 22 August 2014
                              14:28, Dirk Frigne <<a
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                              >         <mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>>

                              wrote:<br>
                              >         >>> reacting on the
                              comments of Mateusz:<br>
                              >         >>><br>
                              >         >>> On 22-08-14
                              12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
                              >         >>>> Sorry for
                              crossposting, but this snippet from the
                              thread<br>
                              >         [...]<br>
                              >         ><br>
                              >         > If we were to deliver a
                              "Fair trade open source" label (or more<br>
                              >         > specifically "Fair trade
                              of OSGeo software"), it would be difficult<br>
                              >         > to do that in a ... fair
                              way, because you would have to measure<br>
                              >         > somehow the value
                              contributed back to OSGeo with respect to
                              the<br>
                              >         value made by using OSGeo
                              software.<br>
                              >         The fact something will be
                              difficult does not mean impossible.<br>
                              >         The first thing we would have
                              to do is to define why open source (in<br>
                              >         general - but as far as we
                              are concerned for Geo) is important, and<br>
                              >         what is "fair" and what is
                              not.<br>
                              >         This can be done by listening
                              to people who are using open source for<br>
                              >         business. Why they choose for
                              OSGeo software, and what they think is<br>
                              >         fair (or only legal).<br>
                              ><br>
                              >         I think a good opportunity to
                              start with this is the proposed business<br>
                              >         track on the next
                              FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's for
                              such a<br>
                              >         business track are being
                              discussed in the thread "when and where"
                              [1].<br>
                              >         From such testimonials we can
                              learn what "we" define as "Fair" and<br>
                              >         establish guidelines, which
                              when followed allows a business entity, an<br>
                              >         academic user or an
                              administration to label themselves as
                              respecting<br>
                              >         these guidelines.<br>
                              >         This could be a good first
                              start for this difficult task.<br>
                              ><br>
                              >         ><br>
                              >         > Even<br>
                              >         D.<br>
                              >         [1]<br>
                              >         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html"
                                target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              >         --<br>
                              >         Yours sincerely,<br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              >         ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
                              >         CEO<br>
                              ><br>
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                                >         Industry mailing list<br>
                                >         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:Industry@lists.osgeo.org">Industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
                                >         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                > Industry mailing list<br>
                                > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:Industry@lists.osgeo.org">Industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/industry</a><br>
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                                --<br>
                                Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
                                  - Professor of Computer Science,
                                Jacobs University Bremen<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann"
                                  target="_blank">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a><br>
                                    mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a><br>
                                    tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B49-421-200-3178">+49-421-200-3178</a>,
                                fax: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B49-421-200-493178">+49-421-200-493178</a><br>
                                  - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH
                                Bremen (HRB 26793)<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.rasdaman.com"
                                  target="_blank">www.rasdaman.com</a>,
                                mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a><br>
                                    tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax:
                                0800-rasdafax, mobile: <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882">+49-173-5837882</a><br>
                                "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit
                                hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis
                                dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut
                                ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec
                                preripiat quisquam non sibi parata."
                                (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
   tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
   mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
   tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
"A brilliant idea is a job halfdone."
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Yours sincerely,


ir. Dirk Frigne
CEO

Geosparc n.v.
Brugsesteenweg 587
B-9030 Ghent
Tel: +32 9 236 60 18 
GSM: +32 495 508 799

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