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Karel,<br>
<br>
I didn't mean that these available presentations should only be used
on FOSS4G events.<br>
I suggested that the material in these presentations can be used by
all the members of OSGeo to be used in business events and talks to
spread the ideas of OSGeo on a larger scale.<br>
Also to the decision makers.<br>
<br>
This in respons to your remark there could be chaos, and you didn't
know how to speak on behalf of the community. There is material that
has been discussed by the OSGeo community and can be used for such
cases.<br>
<br>
My 2c<br>
D.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27-08-14 07:17, Karel Charvat wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Hi Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Yes, it is true, But take into consideration,
that most of IT company managers and also public servants
taking decision about moneys are not participating on this
events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">So probably this presentation are not target on
important community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Karel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dirk Frigne [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 25, 2014 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Karel,<br>
<br>
What you say is correct. But there are presentations of OSGeo,
presented by the president on many FOSS4G conferences. There
is also a presentation about the Live-DVD, explaining in short
the different projects, and there is of cource the website
(which is a wiki style), where thoughts and decisions and
rules are formulated.<br>
<br>
Given this, it is possible for me to represent and talk about
OSGeo on many occasions and explain the mission. Of course to
speak on behalf, as in any company or organisation , you need
be member of the board, or a mandate to do so.<br>
<br>
D.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 25-08-14 02:19, Karel Charvat wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I agree with this, but on other side, we need
some rules how to do this. I was in past in leadership of
other organisation EFITA and now I am in leadership of
Club of Ossiach. But in any case, there are necessary to
define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf of
community. It is not good and impossible if for example
anybody will speak or make presentation on behalf of
Community. In such case, it could be chaos. For example
to have presentation on conferences or eventually organise
some exhibition has to be task of responsible persons
(Probably board of President), I can promote OSGEO as part
of our activities, but I cannot go for example to European
Commission and speak on behalf of OSGEO. Every time some
responsibility is necessary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Karel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
Jachym Cepicky [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Industry] development model vs
business model</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Karel,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as possible,
but it never is one man show. You are registered as OSGeo
advocate as well, as well as other community members. It was
always said, that community is our biggest strength. And
this is the case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach other
communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our community, to
support it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Just 2 cents<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Jachym<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Send from cellphone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi all,<br>
I would like make some comments from position of
business. I am new in this forum, but I am long time
involved as manager in integration of system and
development of software (mainly OS}. We are using OSGEO
products and we are also trying to put our development
towards community, so support OS development (not OSGEO
products, there we have only small contribution).<br>
But I have to say, that not many others companies in
Czech are doing the same and probably they don’t plan to
do the some. I am sure, that most of them respect
license, but they use OS in the some way as proprietary
software, only without obligation to pay (and this is
main reason).<br>
It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade branch,
but what is necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am
afraid, that most of developers and also customers
(public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not way, how
to reach community. I am sure, that information about
FOSS4GI (Europe) is well reaching community OSGEO
community, but not to much outside. So there is
necessary, that OSGEO will be active outside of FOSS4GI
events, local national European, Global. Only this is
the way.<br>
I think that in Czech Jachym start to do it in good
way, but all is long process<br>
Karel<br>
<br>
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From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
To: Even Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business
model<br>
<br>
Even,<br>
<br>
On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
> Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz Łoskot a
écrit :<br>
>> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> reacting on the comments of Mateusz:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry for crossposting, but this
snippet from the thread<br>
[...]<br>
><br>
> If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open source"
label (or more<br>
> specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"), it
would be difficult<br>
> to do that in a ... fair way, because you would
have to measure<br>
> somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo with
respect to the value made by using OSGeo software.<br>
The fact something will be difficult does not mean
impossible.<br>
The first thing we would have to do is to define why
open source (in general - but as far as we are concerned
for Geo) is important, and what is "fair" and what is
not.<br>
This can be done by listening to people who are using
open source for business. Why they choose for OSGeo
software, and what they think is fair (or only legal).<br>
<br>
I think a good opportunity to start with this is the
proposed business track on the next FOSS4G-Europe
conference. The idea's for such a business track are
being discussed in the thread "when and where" [1].<br>
From such testimonials we can learn what "we" define as
"Fair" and establish guidelines, which when followed
allows a business entity, an academic user or an
administration to label themselves as respecting these
guidelines.<br>
This could be a good first start for this difficult
task.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Even<br>
D.<br>
[1]<br>
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target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
Yours sincerely,<br>
<br>
<br>
ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
CEO<br>
<br>
Geosparc n.v.<br>
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<pre>ir. Dirk Frigne<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Yours sincerely,
ir. Dirk Frigne
CEO
Geosparc n.v.
Brugsesteenweg 587
B-9030 Ghent
Tel: +32 9 236 60 18
GSM: +32 495 508 799
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.geomajas.org">http://www.geomajas.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.geosparc.com">http://www.geosparc.com</a>
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