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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">+1 for "no one size fits all" - you
were faster, Bruce!<br>
-Peter<br>
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On 08/27/2014 08:18 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>Karel,</div>
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<div>I agree that more thought is required.</div>
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<div>As to the contribution back to communities:</div>
<ul>
<li>Many organisations will find it easier to contribute staff
time as opposed to funding.</li>
<li>Some organisations may wish to fund commercial organisations
to do the work on their behalf, particularly if they don’t
have skills in house.</li>
</ul>
<div>I doubt that there will be any one solution that will suit
all. We need to be flexible enough to look at a range of
options.</div>
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<div>Bruce</div>
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style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Karel Charvat <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, 27
August 2014 16:08<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Bruce Bannerman
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au">B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au</a>>,
Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> RE:
[Industry] development model vs business model
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">Hi, I don’t know, if this is
right way. If we will put any such obligation to
FOSS, then you will only give arguments to
proprietary software producers and mainly ESRI
against FOSS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">I think, that there is necessary
to look for alternative sources of financing:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB"> Something like dual licencing
or direct support from developers for end user and
developers. I think, that something such is used
outside of GI community by Liferay or inside of
community offer such solution Geoserver, if I am
right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">Training and mainly
certification. In many public tenders you are
required demonstrate, that you are certified as
certified developers. This could be income and also
chance to improve position of OS against proprietary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">And for starting projects are
important grants, Universities, national, European,
NASA, Pentagon others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB"><br>
Most of successful projects started with grants<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">Karel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Bannerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Industry] development model
vs business model [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I
agree with the general gist of this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The
obligations are to more than just companies
reselling open source. It also relates to users
and user organisations. See related thread
initiated by Dirk on Discuss [1].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">We
need a simple message relating to the ‘total cost
of ownership’. All software costs money to develop
and maintain. The cost borne by user organisations
could well be contribution back to the relevant
open source communities. Once they get experience,
this will in turn lead to opportunities for
getting faster return and implementation on the
functionality that they require operationally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Following
on from Cameron’s comments on government policy,
we are already seeing policies in place that
recommend contributions back to open source
communities, e.g.:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">-
Australian Government Open Source Policy [1]
Principle 3 (Section 3.1 p11) p states “</span><span
style="color:black">Australian Government agencies
will actively participate in open source<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">software
communities and contribute back where appropriate.</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: black;">”.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I
understand that other governments have similar
policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Therefore
the ‘fair trade’ message could well be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">[1] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">[2] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf">http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Cameron
Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 26 August 2014 7:22<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Industry] development model
vs business model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I like the
concept of defining "Fair Trade Open Source".<br>
But I think it needs to be more than "we use
open source so we should give a bit back to
the community". Almost every developer, and
many managers will agree with that statement,
but when it comes to final signoff on a
program of work, and there is a question
between keeping extra features or keeping the
"give back to the community", keeping features
wins.<br>
<br>
In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair
Trade Open Source" should be explained as a
value proposition to the business, and the
message will change for each customer.<br>
<br>
For large programs, typically from government,
buying into Fair Trade should start with a
policy statement which explains:<br>
* Our business is strategically improved by X,
Y, and Z Open Source projects<br>
* When these projects do well, we do well<br>
* A successful Open Source project includes
more than our list of features, but also a
strong community and set of processes, and
testing, etc<br>
* As such, we will invest X% of our budget on
Business As Usual open source tasks which
includes A, B, C.<br>
<br>
This policy statement can then be referenced
during purchasing and development cycles to
justify selection of "give a bit back to the
community" over extra features.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
color: black;">On 26/08/2014 12:21 am,
Camille Acey wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Georgia, serif; color: black;">Hi all, <br>
<br>
I've been lurking on this list for a
bit, but just wanted to speak up and
mention that my friend and colleague
Sumana Harihareswara gave a talk at 2010
OpenSource Bridge entitled "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits">The
Second Step: HOWTO encourage open
source work at for-profits</a>". There
is still a lot of education that needs
to be done in order to empower and
encourage companies that use FLOSS to
contribute back to the FLOSS projects.
IMHO, that is where the work needs to be
focused . Hopefully that talk can help
you in getting a slide deck and/or other
such marketing and education materials
together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: black;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Georgia, serif; color:
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style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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black;"> Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15
+0200<br>
From: Peter Baumann <<a
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href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
To: Jachym Cepicky <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>,
Karel Charvat<br>
<<a
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href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>><br>
Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Industry] development
model vs business model<br>
Message-ID: <<a
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extremely important discussion,
great to see the pieces come
together!<br>
We're getting at it: like any
organization acting in the public,
OSGeo needs a<br>
comprehensive, carefully crafted
communication strategy, including
clear-cut<br>
messages suitable for the target
groups (not ourselves!), manifest,
eg, in<br>
ready-made slide decks, posters and
flyers that can be readily printed
&<br>
distributed; plus well-defined,
efficient decision processes - ie,
the board<br>
needs a mandate to act (&
delegate).<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
PS: I agree that "fair trade open
source" is nice, but IMHO we
shouldn't open<br>
yet another challenge while the
basic one - effective market
communication - is<br>
still unsolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym
Cepicky wrote:<br>
><br>
> Not so fast, there are already
rules, how to speak on behalf of
OSGeo.<br>
> Everybody always drops an
e-mail to the list, and informs/asks
for permission<br>
> to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> Board members are going to some
events, but as already said, we have
big<br>
> community of autonomous people
and this is our strength.<br>
><br>
> So, once you would like to have
OSGeo presented on some event, ask
in the list<br>
> and talk about it.<br>
><br>
> What we are missing are some
rules regarding our brand and
representation used<br>
> on business cards ... Funny,
topic actually<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail
com<br>
> URL: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://les-ejk.cz"
target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
> GPG: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br>
><br>
> Give your code freedom with
PyWPS -<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a
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> <mailto:<a
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wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree with this, but on
other side, we need some rules how
to do this. I<br>
> was in past in leadership
of other organisation EFITA and now
I am in<br>
> leadership of Club of
Ossiach. But in any case, there are
necessary to<br>
> define rules, how to go,
how to speak on behalf of community.
It is not<br>
> good and impossible if for
example anybody will speak or make<br>
> presentation on behalf of
Community. In such case, it could be
chaos. For<br>
> example to have
presentation on conferences or
eventually organise some<br>
> exhibition has to be task
of responsible persons (Probably
board of<br>
> President), I can promote
OSGEO as part of our activities, but
I cannot go<br>
> for example to European
Commission and speak on behalf of
OSGEO. Every<br>
> time some responsibility is
necessary<br>
><br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
> *From:*Jachym Cepicky
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> <mailto:<a
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> *Sent:* Sunday, August 24,
2014 9:31 PM<br>
> *To:* Karel Charvat<br>
> *Cc:* <a
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href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Even<br>
> Rouault; <a
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> *Subject:* RE: [Industry]
development model vs business model<br>
><br>
> Hi Karel,<br>
><br>
> As you said, I try to
promote OSGeo as much as possible,
but it never is<br>
> one man show. You are
registered as OSGeo advocate as
well, as well as<br>
> other community members. It
was always said, that community is
our biggest<br>
> strength. And this is the
case.<br>
><br>
> Yes, we have to step out of
our nich, to reach other
communities. But<br>
> Foss4g-europe is about our
community, to support it.<br>
><br>
> Just 2 cents<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky
gmail com<br>
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> On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM,
"Karel Charvat" <<a
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> <mailto:<a
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wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
> I would like make some
comments from position of business.
I am new in<br>
> this forum, but I am
long time involved as manager in
integration of<br>
> system and development
of software (mainly OS}. We are
using OSGEO<br>
> products and we are
also trying to put our development
towards<br>
> community, so support
OS development (not OSGEO products,
there we<br>
> have only small
contribution).<br>
> But I have to say, that
not many others companies in Czech
are doing<br>
> the same and probably
they don't plan to do the some. I am
sure, that<br>
> most of them respect
license, but they use OS in the some
way as<br>
> proprietary software,
only without obligation to pay (and
this is main<br>
> reason).<br>
> It is nice idea to
start promote FOSS Fair trade
branch, but what is<br>
> necessary to start
build OSGEPO brand. I am afraid,
that most of<br>
> developers and also
customers (public servant's} are
aware about OSGEO.<br>
> And FOSS4GI event
(global or European) are not way,
how to reach<br>
> community. I am sure,
that information about FOSS4GI
(Europe) is well<br>
> reaching community
OSGEO community, but not to much
outside. So there<br>
> is necessary, that
OSGEO will be active outside of
FOSS4GI events,<br>
> local national
European, Global. Only this is the
way.<br>
> I think that in Czech
Jachym start to do it in good way,
but all is<br>
> long process<br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
> Sent: Saturday, August
23, 2014 11:28 AM<br>
> To: Even Rouault; <a
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href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
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> Subject: Re: [Industry]
development model vs business model<br>
><br>
> Even,<br>
><br>
> On 22-08-14 21:31, Even
Rouault wrote:<br>
> > Le vendredi 22
ao?t 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz ?oskot a
?crit :<br>
> >> On 22 August
2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <<a
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> <mailto:<a
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wrote:<br>
> >>> reacting
on the comments of Mateusz:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On
22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
> >>>> Sorry
for crossposting, but this snippet
from the thread<br>
> [...]<br>
> ><br>
> > If we were to
deliver a "Fair trade open source"
label (or more<br>
> > specifically "Fair
trade of OSGeo software"), it would
be difficult<br>
> > to do that in a
... fair way, because you would have
to measure<br>
> > somehow the value
contributed back to OSGeo with
respect to the<br>
> value made by using
OSGeo software.<br>
> The fact something will
be difficult does not mean
impossible.<br>
> The first thing we
would have to do is to define why
open source (in<br>
> general - but as far as
we are concerned for Geo) is
important, and<br>
> what is "fair" and what
is not.<br>
> This can be done by
listening to people who are using
open source for<br>
> business. Why they
choose for OSGeo software, and what
they think is<br>
> fair (or only legal).<br>
><br>
> I think a good
opportunity to start with this is
the proposed business<br>
> track on the next
FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's
for such a<br>
> business track are
being discussed in the thread "when
and where" [1].<br>
> From such testimonials
we can learn what "we" define as
"Fair" and<br>
> establish guidelines,
which when followed allows a
business entity, an<br>
> academic user or an
administration to label themselves
as respecting<br>
> these guidelines.<br>
> This could be a good
first start for this difficult task.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Even<br>
> D.<br>
> [1]<br>
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><br>
> --<br>
> Yours sincerely,<br>
><br>
><br>
> ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
> CEO<br>
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