<p dir="ltr">+1</p>
<p dir="ltr">J</p>
<p dir="ltr">Send from cellphone</p>
<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
Jachym Cepicky<br>
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
URL: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
GPG: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a></p>
<p dir="ltr">Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 27, 2014 8:50 AM, "Peter Baumann" <<a href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>good point! Focusing on exactly one
model and condemning all others leads us into the dogmatic corner.
The world is colorfoul, and there is plenty of room for creativity
and business models.<br>
I do like the "fair trade" term, and I'd put it up as a label (not
an obligation) similar to ISO 9000 certification, or better: CMMI
because then you can assign a degree of achievement rather than a
boolean. Then agencies, eg, can establish a policy of favouring
"fair trade" offers.<br>
<br>
-Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/27/2014 08:08 AM, Karel Charvat wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">Hi, I don’t know, if this is right way. If we
will put any such obligation to FOSS, then you will only
give arguments to proprietary software producers and mainly
ESRI against FOSS.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">I think, that there is necessary to look for
alternative sources of financing:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"> Something like dual licencing or direct
support from developers for end user and developers. I
think, that something such is used outside of GI community
by Liferay or inside of community offer such solution
Geoserver, if I am right<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">Training and mainly certification. In many
public tenders you are required demonstrate, that you are
certified as certified developers. This could be income and
also chance to improve position of OS against proprietary<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">And for starting projects are important grants,
Universities, national, European, NASA, Pentagon others.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"><br>
Most of successful projects started with grants<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">Karel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Bruce Bannerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter; <a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
agree with the general gist of this thread.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The
obligations are to more than just companies reselling open
source. It also relates to users and user organisations.
See related thread initiated by Dirk on Discuss [1].<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">We
need a simple message relating to the ‘total cost of
ownership’. All software costs money to develop and
maintain. The cost borne by user organisations could well
be contribution back to the relevant open source
communities. Once they get experience, this will in turn
lead to opportunities for getting faster return and
implementation on the functionality that they require
operationally.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Following
on from Cameron’s comments on government policy, we are
already seeing policies in place that recommend
contributions back to open source communities, e.g.:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">-
Australian Government Open Source Policy [1] Principle 3
(Section 3.1 p11) p states “</span><span style="color:black">Australian Government agencies will
actively participate in open source<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">software
communities and contribute back where appropriate.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">”.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
understand that other governments have similar policies.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Therefore
the ‘fair trade’ message could well be helpful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Bruce<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">[1] <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">[2] <a href="http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cameron
Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 26 August 2014 7:22<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
like the concept of defining "Fair Trade Open Source".<br>
But I think it needs to be more than "we use open
source so we should give a bit back to the community".
Almost every developer, and many managers will agree
with that statement, but when it comes to final
signoff on a program of work, and there is a question
between keeping extra features or keeping the "give
back to the community", keeping features wins.<br>
<br>
In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair Trade
Open Source" should be explained as a value
proposition to the business, and the message will
change for each customer.<br>
<br>
For large programs, typically from government, buying
into Fair Trade should start with a policy statement
which explains:<br>
* Our business is strategically improved by X, Y, and
Z Open Source projects<br>
* When these projects do well, we do well<br>
* A successful Open Source project includes more than
our list of features, but also a strong community and
set of processes, and testing, etc<br>
* As such, we will invest X% of our budget on Business
As Usual open source tasks which includes A, B, C.<br>
<br>
This policy statement can then be referenced during
purchasing and development cycles to justify selection
of "give a bit back to the community" over extra
features.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
26/08/2014 12:21 am, Camille Acey wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Hi
all, <br>
<br>
I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but
just wanted to speak up and mention that my
friend and colleague Sumana Harihareswara gave a
talk at 2010 OpenSource Bridge entitled "<a href="http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits" target="_blank">The
Second Step: HOWTO encourage open source work
at for-profits</a>". There is still a lot of
education that needs to be done in order to
empower and encourage companies that use FLOSS
to contribute back to the FLOSS projects. IMHO,
that is where the work needs to be focused .
Hopefully that talk can help you in getting a
slide deck and/or other such marketing and
education materials together.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Camille
E. Acey</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Sales
Operations Specialist | Boundless</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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- 917.460.7197</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15 +0200<br>
From: Peter Baumann <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
To: Jachym Cepicky <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>,
Karel Charvat<br>
<<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs
business model<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53FAE67F.7090903@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">53FAE67F.7090903@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
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charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br>
<br>
extremely important discussion, great to see
the pieces come together!<br>
We're getting at it: like any organization
acting in the public, OSGeo needs a<br>
comprehensive, carefully crafted
communication strategy, including clear-cut<br>
messages suitable for the target groups (not
ourselves!), manifest, eg, in<br>
ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers
that can be readily printed &<br>
distributed; plus well-defined, efficient
decision processes - ie, the board<br>
needs a mandate to act (& delegate).<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is
nice, but IMHO we shouldn't open<br>
yet another challenge while the basic one -
effective market communication - is<br>
still unsolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Not so fast, there are already rules,
how to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
> Everybody always drops an e-mail to the
list, and informs/asks for permission<br>
> to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> Board members are going to some events,
but as already said, we have big<br>
> community of autonomous people and this
is our strength.<br>
><br>
> So, once you would like to have OSGeo
presented on some event, ask in the list<br>
> and talk about it.<br>
><br>
> What we are missing are some rules
regarding our brand and representation used<br>
> on business cards ... Funny, topic
actually<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
> URL: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
> GPG: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br>
><br>
> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org" target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
><br>
> On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree with this, but on other
side, we need some rules how to do this. I<br>
> was in past in leadership of other
organisation EFITA and now I am in<br>
> leadership of Club of Ossiach. But
in any case, there are necessary to<br>
> define rules, how to go, how to
speak on behalf of community. It is not<br>
> good and impossible if for example
anybody will speak or make<br>
> presentation on behalf of
Community. In such case, it could be chaos.
For<br>
> example to have presentation on
conferences or eventually organise some<br>
> exhibition has to be task of
responsible persons (Probably board of<br>
> President), I can promote OSGEO as
part of our activities, but I cannot go<br>
> for example to European Commission
and speak on behalf of OSGEO. Every<br>
> time some responsibility is
necessary<br>
><br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
> *From:*Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>]<br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014
9:31 PM<br>
> *To:* Karel Charvat<br>
> *Cc:* <a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>>;
Even<br>
> Rouault; <a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [Industry]
development model vs business model<br>
><br>
> Hi Karel,<br>
><br>
> As you said, I try to promote OSGeo
as much as possible, but it never is<br>
> one man show. You are registered as
OSGeo advocate as well, as well as<br>
> other community members. It was
always said, that community is our biggest<br>
> strength. And this is the case.<br>
><br>
> Yes, we have to step out of our
nich, to reach other communities. But<br>
> Foss4g-europe is about our
community, to support it.<br>
><br>
> Just 2 cents<br>
><br>
> Jachym<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jachym Cepicky<br>
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>
> URL: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>
> GPG: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp" target="_blank">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br>
><br>
> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org" target="_blank">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br>
><br>
> On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel
Charvat" <<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
> I would like make some comments
from position of business. I am new in<br>
> this forum, but I am long time
involved as manager in integration of<br>
> system and development of
software (mainly OS}. We are using OSGEO<br>
> products and we are also trying
to put our development towards<br>
> community, so support OS
development (not OSGEO products, there we<br>
> have only small contribution).<br>
> But I have to say, that not
many others companies in Czech are doing<br>
> the same and probably they
don't plan to do the some. I am sure, that<br>
> most of them respect license,
but they use OS in the some way as<br>
> proprietary software, only
without obligation to pay (and this is main<br>
> reason).<br>
> It is nice idea to start
promote FOSS Fair trade branch, but what is<br>
> necessary to start build OSGEPO
brand. I am afraid, that most of<br>
> developers and also customers
(public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
> And FOSS4GI event (global or
European) are not way, how to reach<br>
> community. I am sure, that
information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well<br>
> reaching community OSGEO
community, but not to much outside. So there<br>
> is necessary, that OSGEO will
be active outside of FOSS4GI events,<br>
> local national European,
Global. Only this is the way.<br>
> I think that in Czech Jachym
start to do it in good way, but all is<br>
> long process<br>
> Karel<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
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On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014
11:28 AM<br>
> To: Even Rouault; <a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:industry@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">industry@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Industry]
development model vs business model<br>
><br>
> Even,<br>
><br>
> On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault
wrote:<br>
> > Le vendredi 22 ao?t 2014
15:45:45, Mateusz ?oskot a ?crit :<br>
> >> On 22 August 2014
14:28, Dirk Frigne <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
> >>> reacting on the
comments of Mateusz:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 22-08-14 12:03,
Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
> >>>> Sorry for
crossposting, but this snippet from the
thread<br>
> [...]<br>
> ><br>
> > If we were to deliver a
"Fair trade open source" label (or more<br>
> > specifically "Fair trade
of OSGeo software"), it would be difficult<br>
> > to do that in a ... fair
way, because you would have to measure<br>
> > somehow the value
contributed back to OSGeo with respect to
the<br>
> value made by using OSGeo
software.<br>
> The fact something will be
difficult does not mean impossible.<br>
> The first thing we would have
to do is to define why open source (in<br>
> general - but as far as we are
concerned for Geo) is important, and<br>
> what is "fair" and what is not.<br>
> This can be done by listening
to people who are using open source for<br>
> business. Why they choose for
OSGeo software, and what they think is<br>
> fair (or only legal).<br>
><br>
> I think a good opportunity to
start with this is the proposed business<br>
> track on the next FOSS4G-Europe
conference. The idea's for such a<br>
> business track are being
discussed in the thread "when and where"
[1].<br>
> From such testimonials we can
learn what "we" define as "Fair" and<br>
> establish guidelines, which
when followed allows a business entity, an<br>
> academic user or an
administration to label themselves as
respecting<br>
> these guidelines.<br>
> This could be a good first
start for this difficult task.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Even<br>
> D.<br>
> [1]<br>
> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Yours sincerely,<br>
><br>
><br>
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