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Jachym,<br>
<br>
I was aware of the blog of Steve since the publication of it.<br>
Although many idea's are parallel with the thoughts I have of
#fairtradeopensource, an important difference is 'it's all about
*me*' concept ad in Paul's talk is indicated.<br>
<br>
This is certainly a good first step, but where we should aim to is
the 'it's all about *WE*' like described in my nomination toughts
[1]:<br>
<br>
<pre>What does the WE community look like?
- Its culture is based on principles, not power or politics.
- Building and maintaining high trust is central to how people work together — not fear.
- There is a clear strategic direction.
- Strategic decisions are made by consensus among the senior leadership.
- Leadership is situational rather than positional. Everyone has the capacity to lead at any given point in time based on their knowledge and skills.
- Individuals subordinate their personal self-interest to the good of the whole.
- The workforce owns the work processes.
- There is transparency in how the organization operates. Secrecy creates distrust.
- The organization’s design is flat and team-based; gone are the days of the pyramid.
- People work collaboratively for the good of the whole. Independent achievers need not apply.
- Accountability happens at the level of self, within teams, and based on results.
- People are rewarded in part for achievement of organization goals, in part for their team work, and in part for their personal development and contribution to the whole.
</pre>
and most of all, in a #fairtradeopensource world I want also respect
for the authors and contributors of LGPL and similar license models.
Not only in committing time and cash, but also by contributing cash
by those other projects (GPL, AGPL and similar), but also the
proprietary users, to pay for further development of these projects.<br>
For research and development.<br>
<br>
I didn't know how to formulate it, but this is the kernel of an idea
I am already a long time playing with.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27-08-14 20:06, Jachym Cepicky
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAAZUH4E6krwpWXkrOc=936bdY==F0B3CJPAJrS1tf3_4P+xV4Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">Steve, your blog post and Paul's talk are
inspirations to this thread, I'm aware of it. But maybe someone
else is not, so please read. It does not use the term
#fairtradeopensource (Dirk's invention?*) But it is describing
it.</p>
</blockquote>
* I wanted to embed the term 'Fair trade open source' already in my
keynote presentation in Boucharest :-). [2], but it was removed from
an early version to focus on the story about eco-systems. Which is a
very basic need. Before we can introduce other more complex
concepts, we need a common community feeling of what the community
wants. <br>
As 'open source and business' was picked up by a lot of our members.
This list is a good starting point to work further on these idea's
so I thought it would be interesting to test the idea in this
workgroup. It was introduced in this thread [3] last week.<br>
<br>
But as already indicated by others: determining the real value is a
difficult process.<br>
I can feel however the progress in the discussions and the way it is
picked up by more and more members from the community. Not only the
'consultants' and 'entrepreneurs' amongst us, but members from the
whole community. (gov agents, end users and universities). Which is
a need for a good concept. The aim should be that the idea's are
carried by a large part of the 'broader than OSGeo' community. <br>
<br>
Once we have some more or less good ethical rule set, we should
discuss this with other OS communities. (maybe a topic for our
devroom on FOSSDEM in januari Belgium?[4]) <br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAAZUH4E6krwpWXkrOc=936bdY==F0B3CJPAJrS1tf3_4P+xV4Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">Read it!</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jachym</p>
<p dir="ltr">Send from cellphone</p>
</blockquote>
my 2c<br>
<br>
D.<br>
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013501.html">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013501.html</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://2013.foss4g-cee.org/program/keynote-speakers">http://2013.foss4g-cee.org/program/keynote-speakers</a><br>
[3]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/industry/2014-August/000010.html">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/industry/2014-August/000010.html</a><br>
[4]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://locationtech.org/mhonarc/lists/location-iwg/msg00721.html">https://locationtech.org/mhonarc/lists/location-iwg/msg00721.html</a><br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAAZUH4E6krwpWXkrOc=936bdY==F0B3CJPAJrS1tf3_4P+xV4Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 27, 2014 6:50 PM, "Steven Feldman"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi I have been meaning to
chip in on this thread for a while as it is paralleling some
thoughts that I have had see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch/"
target="_blank">http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch/</a>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>There is no one simple answer that will work for all
companies and users but I think the underlying principle
is that we encourage people/organisations who use FOSS4G
to contribute in some way - financially, code commits,
other staff contributions, something else</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am giving two talks in the next couple of months at
UK events OSGIS and GeoCommunity where I will be trialling
the ideas set out in my blog post and I will give some
feedback to this list<br>
<div>
<span
style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">______<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
</span>
</div>
<br>
<div>
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1. Re: development model vs business model
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:43:45 +1000<br>
From: Bruce Bannerman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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To: Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business
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I agree with the general gist of this thread.<br>
<br>
The obligations are to more than just companies
reselling open source. It also relates to users and
user organisations. See related thread initiated by
Dirk on Discuss [1].<br>
<br>
We need a simple message relating to the ?total cost
of ownership?. All software costs money to develop and
maintain. The cost borne by user organisations could
well be contribution back to the relevant open source
communities. Once they get experience, this will in
turn lead to opportunities for getting faster return
and implementation on the functionality that they
require operationally.<br>
<br>
Following on from Cameron?s comments on government
policy, we are already seeing policies in place that
recommend contributions back to open source
communities, e.g.:<br>
<br>
- Australian Government Open Source Policy [1]
Principle 3 (Section 3.1 p11) p states ?Australian
Government agencies will actively participate in open
source<br>
software communities and contribute back where
appropriate.?.<br>
<br>
I understand that other governments have similar
policies.<br>
<br>
<br>
Therefore the ?fair trade? message could well be
helpful.<br>
<br>
Bruce<br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf</a><br>
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Date: Tuesday, 26 August 2014 7:22<br>
To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business
model<br>
<br>
I like the concept of defining "Fair Trade Open
Source".<br>
But I think it needs to be more than "we use open
source so we should give a bit back to the community".
Almost every developer, and many managers will agree
with that statement, but when it comes to final
signoff on a program of work, and there is a question
between keeping extra features or keeping the "give
back to the community", keeping features wins.<br>
<br>
In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair Trade
Open Source" should be explained as a value
proposition to the business, and the message will
change for each customer.<br>
<br>
For large programs, typically from government, buying
into Fair Trade should start with a policy statement
which explains:<br>
* Our business is strategically improved by X, Y, and
Z Open Source projects<br>
* When these projects do well, we do well<br>
* A successful Open Source project includes more than
our list of features, but also a strong community and
set of processes, and testing, etc<br>
* As such, we will invest X% of our budget on Business
As Usual open source tasks which includes A, B, C.<br>
<br>
This policy statement can then be referenced during
purchasing and development cycles to justify selection
of "give a bit back to the community" over extra
features.<br>
<br>
On 26/08/2014 12:21 am, Camille Acey wrote:<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but just
wanted to speak up and mention that my friend and
colleague Sumana Harihareswara gave a talk at 2010
OpenSource Bridge entitled "The Second Step: HOWTO
encourage open source work at for-profits<<a
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href="http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits"
target="_blank">http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits</a>>".
There is still a lot of education that needs to be
done in order to empower and encourage companies that
use FLOSS to contribute back to the FLOSS projects.
IMHO, that is where the work needs to be focused .
Hopefully that talk can help you in getting a slide
deck and/or other such marketing and education
materials together.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Camille E. Acey<br>
<br>
Sales Operations Specialist | Boundless<br>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15 +0200<br>
From: Peter Baumann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a
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target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>>,
Karel Charvat<br>
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Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business
model<br>
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<br>
extremely important discussion, great to see the
pieces come together!<br>
We're getting at it: like any organization acting in
the public, OSGeo needs a<br>
comprehensive, carefully crafted communication
strategy, including clear-cut<br>
messages suitable for the target groups (not
ourselves!), manifest, eg, in<br>
ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can be
readily printed &<br>
distributed; plus well-defined, efficient decision
processes - ie, the board<br>
needs a mandate to act (& delegate).<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but
IMHO we shouldn't open<br>
yet another challenge while the basic one - effective
market communication - is<br>
still unsolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak
on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list, and
informs/asks for permission<br>
to speak on behalf of OSGeo.<br>
<br>
Board members are going to some events, but as
already said, we have big<br>
community of autonomous people and this is our
strength.<br>
<br>
So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on
some event, ask in the list<br>
and talk about it.<br>
<br>
What we are missing are some rules regarding our
brand and representation used<br>
on business cards ... Funny, topic actually<br>
<br>
Jachym<br>
<br>
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On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat" <<a
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href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a><mailto:<a
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href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz" target="_blank">charvat@ccss.cz</a>><br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
I agree with this, but on other side, we need
some rules how to do this. I<br>
was in past in leadership of other organisation
EFITA and now I am in<br>
leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case,
there are necessary to<br>
define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf
of community. It is not<br>
good and impossible if for example anybody will
speak or make<br>
presentation on behalf of Community. In such
case, it could be chaos. For<br>
example to have presentation on conferences or
eventually organise some<br>
exhibition has to be task of responsible persons
(Probably board of<br>
President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our
activities, but I cannot go<br>
for example to European Commission and speak on
behalf of OSGEO. Every<br>
time some responsibility is necessary<br>
<br>
Karel<br>
<br>
*From:*Jachym Cepicky [mailto:<a
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*Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM<br>
*To:* Karel Charvat<br>
*Cc:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Even<br>
Rouault; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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*Subject:* RE: [Industry] development model vs
business model<br>
<br>
Hi Karel,<br>
<br>
As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as
possible, but it never is<br>
one man show. You are registered as OSGeo
advocate as well, as well as<br>
other community members. It was always said, that
community is our biggest<br>
strength. And this is the case.<br>
<br>
Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach
other communities. But<br>
Foss4g-europe is about our community, to support
it.<br>
<br>
Just 2 cents<br>
<br>
Jachym<br>
<br>
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Hi all,<br>
I would like make some comments from position
of business. I am new in<br>
this forum, but I am long time involved as
manager in integration of<br>
system and development of software (mainly
OS}. We are using OSGEO<br>
products and we are also trying to put our
development towards<br>
community, so support OS development (not
OSGEO products, there we<br>
have only small contribution).<br>
But I have to say, that not many others
companies in Czech are doing<br>
the same and probably they don't plan to do
the some. I am sure, that<br>
most of them respect license, but they use OS
in the some way as<br>
proprietary software, only without obligation
to pay (and this is main<br>
reason).<br>
It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair
trade branch, but what is<br>
necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am
afraid, that most of<br>
developers and also customers (public
servant's} are aware about OSGEO.<br>
And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are
not way, how to reach<br>
community. I am sure, that information about
FOSS4GI (Europe) is well<br>
reaching community OSGEO community, but not
to much outside. So there<br>
is necessary, that OSGEO will be active
outside of FOSS4GI events,<br>
local national European, Global. Only this is
the way.<br>
I think that in Czech Jachym start to do it
in good way, but all is<br>
long process<br>
Karel<br>
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On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Le vendredi 22 ao?t 2014
15:45:45, Mateusz ?oskot a ?crit :<br>
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On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
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If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open source"
label (or more<br>
specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"), it
would be difficult<br>
to do that in a ... fair way, because you would
have to measure<br>
somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo with
respect to the<br>
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value made by using OSGeo software.<br>
The fact something will be difficult does not
mean impossible.<br>
The first thing we would have to do is to
define why open source (in<br>
general - but as far as we are concerned for
Geo) is important, and<br>
what is "fair" and what is not.<br>
This can be done by listening to people who
are using open source for<br>
business. Why they choose for OSGeo software,
and what they think is<br>
fair (or only legal).<br>
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I think a good opportunity to start with this
is the proposed business<br>
track on the next FOSS4G-Europe conference.
The idea's for such a<br>
business track are being discussed in the
thread "when and where" [1].<br>
From such testimonials we can learn what "we"
define as "Fair" and<br>
establish guidelines, which when followed
allows a business entity, an<br>
academic user or an administration to label
themselves as respecting<br>
these guidelines.<br>
This could be a good first start for this
difficult task.<br>
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