[Live-demo] ORFEO Toolbox in OSGeoLive?

Massimo Di Stefano massimodisasha at gmail.com
Fri Jan 14 08:46:52 EST 2011


+1 to split the mac+win installer and the linux  live in 2 separate disc

having finally this space "freed" we can think about a more nice dataset structure without worring too mutch about space
we can also add prersentation educational materials etc ... 

Nice to have OTB in the live!!!

For the OTB dataset we should be able to use a common dataset with other sw that performs image analysis (at least for ossim, otb and grass (v/r.external))
for now the ossim dataset is based only on 3 landsat band (r,g,b) and the relative srtm elevation data

what about "high resolution" ? 
is enough the 15m resolution of the landsat pancromathic band ?

Or are you thinking about very high resolution data ? (ikonos, quickbird) ?
for hi-res data i can't find too many free dataset on line,
... seems they are free available only for the "crisis zone" (like heartquake in Cina etc ...)


let me know .


Ciao,

Massimo.


Il giorno 14/gen/2011, alle ore 01.30, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> Hi All-
>  I am in California near Alex, and have just started to follow this conversation.
> Manuel's clear and thorough answers to the basic questions, and the apparent maturity of the ORFEO suite,
> make it almost certain that this will be a very substantial addition to the LiveDVD. Congratulations to all!
> 
>  I was on record previously saying that I think the installers for PC and Mac are ready to be a second disk,
> not on the main disk. The recent comment that ORFEO really needs at least one high resolution image
> reinforces that notion to me... *Note that a high resolution image need not be huge, just, high resolution.
> 
>  Manuel and the ORFEO Team - are you willing to take a careful look at your standard package install,
> and perhaps remove some items to accommodate a crowded DVD ?  A simple suggestion is perhaps
> run the install of the standard package, but add a few lines in the LiveDVD installer script that Alex
> started, to remove non-critical components to save disk space.
> 
>  thanks very very much to all involved, this might work out very well !
> best regards from Berkeley, California
>   -Brian
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Manual for these clarifications.
>> 
>> I'm heartened by all your answers, and I'm +1 for including OTB on OSGeo-Live.
>> Assuming that there are no other questions or objections from our community, I'd encourage you to start packaging OTB as per:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project
>> 
>> If you wish to make the next release, can you please aim to have install script and Overview and Quickstart text complete by 31  January.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/01/2011 4:41 AM, Manuel Grizonnet wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> I answer below to questions about OTB before moving forward:
>> 
>> 1. OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use rather
>> than libraries that are included into other applications. Does ORFEO
>> Toolbox have a user interface (possibly command line interface) that a
>> user can interact with and try out ORFEO Toolbox?
>> 
>> 
>> ->Yes the software Monteverdi based on OTB provide a user interface and an architecture which allows building processing chains by selecting modules from a set of menus. It supports raster and vector dataThe architecture takes advantage of the streaming and multi-threading capabilities of the OTB pipeline. It also uses cool features as processing on demand and automagic file format I/O. The application is called Monteverdi, since this is the name of the Orfeo composer.  The application is also packaged on Ubuntu, you can find more informations here : http://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/otb/monteverdi.html
>> Moreover the otb-app package provides OTB processing chain (command line interface) which are also accessible through user interface (standalone qt application or qgis plugins) 
>> 
>> 2. OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained.
>> Can ORFEO Toolbox run in 512 Meg or RAM?
>> 
>> 
>> ->Yes, we already provide in the past Live OTB which works on this type of platforms. The application monteverdi was developped in the frame of capacity building activities and it works on PC with memory and disk constrained (512 Mo of RAM is enough to run the application and do basic processing). 
>> 
>> How much disk space will be required to install ORFEO Toolbox and a
>> suitable example application.
>> 
>> 
>> -> otb package 10 Mo, monteverdi package 10 Mo, otb-app 15 Mo
>> 
>> What datasets would be required for a demonstration? Can you make use of
>> the naturalearth dataset already installed, or would you need something
>> else?
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
>> 
>> 
>> -> I do not know this dataset, I think that we can use this dataset. We provide also on our repository extract of remote sensing data which are used as examples in the software guide and in the OTB tutorial. http://hg.orfeo-toolbox.org/OTB-Data/
>> Our documentation (description of algorithms, input images, examples and results) are automatically generated each time when we update the software guide to ensure that results which appear in the documentation are results provided by the library.
>> We can pointed out interesting "Toy example" if you want which will give an overview of OTB functionnalities on the Live DVD?
>> 
>> 3. You mention that ORFEO is in OSGeo incubation. I can't see ORFEO
>> listed at http://osgeo.org . Have you started incubation, or are you on
>> the waiting list to start incubation?
>> 
>> 
>> -> Sorry, I only open a ticket on the OSGeo website to start the incubation process for now...
>> 
>> 4. Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. Do you have a bug
>> free, stable release, which has been rolled out to production in a
>> number of locations?
>> 
>> 
>> -> The last OTB release 3.8.0 and monteverdi 1.6.0 are the latest stable release. OTB validation is mainly driven by a platform of automatic tests (based on cmake, ctest and cdash). The library is continuously and intensively tests on numerous platforms. There are more than 1500 tests currently in the library...
>> http://dash.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php?project=OTB
>> 
>> 5. I notice the CeCILL licence you use is not listed on OSI list of
>> licences. Has license been discussed and resolved on the
>> OSGeo-Incubation list?
>> 
>> 
>> -> I am not aware of any discussions about the licence, Cecill is a free software license (adapted to french legal matter) compatible with GPL : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeCILL
>> 
>> 6. Do you have a person (maybe yourself?) prepared to volunteer to be
>> the OSGeo-Live representative, who will take responsibility for liaising
>> between the project and OSGeo-Live and make sure that scripts and
>> documentation are updated for each release.
>> 
>> 
>> -> No problem for liaising between OSGeo and OTB. There is also an OTB packages team on launchpad with contacts : https://launchpad.net/~otb
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Manuel
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/1/11 Manuel Grizonnet <manuel.grizonnet at gmail.com>
>> 
>> Hi Johan,
>> 
>> 
>> I think that's some words in your answers are missing... "it is already packaged and...???"
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/1/11 Johan Van de Wauw <johan.vandewauw at gmail.com>
>> 
>> Since
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Manuel Grizonnet <manuel.grizonnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The toolbox (and also related projects) are also provided as binary packages for Windows, Mac and recently also on Linux Platforms. An OTB repository is available on launchpad.net for Ubuntu platforms (9.10,10.4,10.10) and also for OpenSuse platforms. 
>> it is already packaged and 
>> 
>> OTB is under incubation for OSGeo Project. 
>> I think it would be a very good idea to include OTB on the live disk.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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