Christian,<br>Yes, you are right, big projects do have a lot of inertia required to get them moving, and we faced and conquered it with our GeoSpatial LiveDVD project, having built 3 distributions in 2 years, although the last distribution we built is our highlight, because we moved from just 3 or 4 people involved in packaging to ~ 20 people who collectively built a distribution in 6 weeks.<br>
<br>I believe we were successful because:<br>* We reduced the barrier of entry and offered high value for projects wanting to join. "Write a simple install script, and we will guarantee your application will be distributed on a DVD handed out at our international conference to all delegates".<br>
* The people we were targeting to do the packaging for us were all highly motived and competent people, who already were leaders of Open Source projects.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Christian - Poseidon Linux <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christian@poseidonlinux.org">christian@poseidonlinux.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div>Hello Cameron,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
First, thanks for all your explanations.</div><div><br></div><div>I will be very happy to participate and join OSGeo too. Actually I tried a few years before, but I didn't succeeded.</div><div><br></div><div>Honestly... just talking in general... I got a bit frustrated with big projects, since the inertia is so big sometimes... in Poseidon is a small group, we vote what should be included and that's it. No flame wars.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Actually, I saw many efforts coming to build scientific distros, but as far as I saw, many of them are still just at the Wiki, while we in 5 years of existence had 5 official releases.</div><div><br></div>
<div>And frankly, looking for the scientific users, in general they are not interested about a meta-package that turns a normal distro into a Poseidon-like... partially because in many causes they are new to Linux and/or they don't have the time to learn how to customize their a standard Linux distro.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Well, that's my personal opinion... all fell free to disagree.</div><div><br></div><div>... going back...</div><div><br></div><div>So, I will read the wiki and return to this discussion in the next days.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here where I am (at Marum, a marine research institute in Germany), they are really looking forward to work with Linux (and maybe Windows and MacOSX too) using OS GIS and webmapping tools.</div><div><br>
</div><div> ... and me too!</div><div><br></div><div>Let's stay in touch... I will do my "homework" reading all your stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>See you in a few days.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hello Christian,<br><br>Nice to meet you and hear about your work with Poseidon.<br>I understand the amount of work involved in creating an Ubuntu distribution on your own. I've been involved in building a Geospatial distribution for a couple of years and ~ 4 major distributions now.<br>
<br>Initially we did this through hero work of primarily one developer, who installed everything, but that became unsustainable. So instead we asked all geopspatial projects to write us a bash install script, then we built a process to install and build the live DVD.<br>
<br>See a summary at:<br><a href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2009/10/arramgong-gis-live-dvd-off-to-printers.html" target="_blank">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2009/10/arramgong-gis-live-dvd-off-to-printers.html</a><br>
<br>our wiki here:<br><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc</a><br><br>and our build process here:<br><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build</a><br>
<br>Using this same formula, we could help you build Poseidon Linux - and in particular, some of your packages already have install scripts within our distribution.<br><br>Does this interest you?<br><br>Also of note, within a couple of days, we plan to put out a press release, encouraging projects to get involved in building our next distribution.<br>
<br>It would be great to also mention how Poseidon and Arramagong projects are working together toward the next release.<br><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_1" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_1</a><br>
We could include<br><br>Christian Ferreira wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Poseidon is going to be updated to Ubuntu 9.10. The work is on the way.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Actually, I have two versions nearly 100% ready based on Ubuntu 9.04. But took me so much time, that now this Ubuntu has just less than 1 year of security updates, so I decided for giving up. So, these Poseidon will never be released.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The problem, is that Poseidon since from the beginning, Poseidon is a distro of a man alone. The team help with the website and sometimes writing documentation... but, the distro related work is done just by me.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So, sometimes with the cruises, work and family is hard to find tons of time to produce real polished and good Poseidon release.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Anyway... I new version is under construction... Actually, I am preparing first a minimal version of Poseidon Linux just with the GIS and MB System. This will be ready until end of December (I will work during Xmas hollidays on it).<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Well, I'm always glad to have help or ideas...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Unfortunately, Poseidon Linux doesn't has the infrastructure necessary to be a internet shared project. And I never could find the resources to do so.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PS: Please, Hamish and others... in the future (if possible), write me just to this email... the "chris for lists" email gets dozens of emails (and I use filter that sort them), so any personal mail is not filtered and may get lost among them.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Best regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Christian<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Hamish <<a href="mailto:hamish_b@yahoo.com" target="_blank">hamish_b@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hamish_b@yahoo.com" target="_blank">hamish_b@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Hamish:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > >> you might mave a look at the Poseidon live dvd project.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Massimo:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > > I know it, it's a great project!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > > from poseido i see some sw title i don't know first.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > > But seems the last release is dated 2008.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > > Maybe for educational purpose is not needed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
> > to have the last sw version installed?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > > btw, just to know if it was a topic of interests.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
Cameron Shorter wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > <a href="http://www.en.poseidonlinux.org/" target="_blank">http://www.en.poseidonlinux.org/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > This project looks very similar to what we are doing and<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > there is great potential for us to collaborate. Does anyone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > know the developers there yet and want to invite them to<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> > work together with us?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> any thoughts Christian?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Hamish<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
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<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Christian Ferreira<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Oceanographer<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Marum - Center for Marine Environmental Sciences<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bremen - Germany<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Poseidon Linux team<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.poseidonlinux.org" target="_blank">http://www.poseidonlinux.org</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Poseidon Linux team<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.poseidonlinux.org" target="_blank">http://www.poseidonlinux.org</a><br>
</blockquote><br><br>-- <br>Cameron Shorter<br>Geospatial Solutions Manager<br>Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br><br>Think Globally, Fix Locally<br>Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source<br>
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