<p dir="ltr">Dear Angelos, </p>
<p dir="ltr">I undestand and respect the history of OSGeo-Live as I respect the history of my country. </p>
<p dir="ltr">My question about selection criteria and its weights provides an independant background and independent of history. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Just for an example of criteria weights (ignore the numbers):</p>
<p dir="ltr">30% project comunity<br>
20% inovation<br>
20% documentation<br>
30% space requirents</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think we all would like to see an independant model like this for project admission :)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers,<br>
Marco<br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 28/11/2015 11:58, "Angelos Tzotsos" <<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Marco,<br>
<br>
I do not see the current e-mail thread as a strong rejection of MapIgniter2.<br>
I see it more like a review process.<br>
If you look for the release history of OSGeo-Live, many well respected projects remained in staging area for one or two releases until they provided all the requirements to be officially included (documentation and packaging work).<br>
<br>
The final decision on whether to include a project or not is usually reached by a vote in one of our weekly IRC meetings.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Angelos<br>
<br>
On 11/28/2015 01:45 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi all,<br>
<br>
I realised that the exclusion o MapIgniter2 was based on giving a lot of<br>
weight to 1 criteria (project's comunity).<br>
<br>
Let me make two important questions:<br>
1. Whats are the weights of each criteria? (You can even create a formula<br>
based on criteria weights).<br>
2. Would it be more democratic and fair the project admission, using a<br>
voting system?<br>
<br>
Thanks :)<br>
Em 28/11/2015 11:33, "Angelos Tzotsos" <<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also, the disk size question is highly relevant... we are still keeping an<br>
OSGeo graduated project out of the disk due to enormous disk footprint....<br>
:(<br>
<br>
On 11/28/2015 01:27 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Daniel,<br>
<br>
I agree that we need to help new projects. This is indeed one of the<br>
roles of OSGeo-Live. The questionnaire is there to identify some aspects of<br>
the incoming projects, not to act like an incubation process. But we also<br>
need to filter what is somehow mature and stable. In my opinion the only 2<br>
questions that should block an incoming software are the licensing and the<br>
stable release questions. I recall I was rejected inclusion of pycsw until<br>
we reached v1.0 and this helped the pycsw team to focus on doing a stable<br>
release.<br>
<br>
I always ask the incoming project to provide an installer to add under<br>
the beta folder. On the next release, a user can easily install a beta<br>
project by running the installer from the live system and be able to test<br>
the software. This also provides time to review documentation and do the<br>
translations needed.<br>
<br>
So I would like to see both MapIgniter2 and OpenEarthView provide and<br>
maintain their installers according to our packaging standards as beta<br>
projects for 9.5 and include them as stable in a later release.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Angelos<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/28/2015 08:05 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Cameron,<br>
<br>
At the time when OSGeo Live started, no project had to answer a<br>
questionnaire, that almost looks like a "Mini application for<br>
incubation". So I think there are quite a few installed on OSGeo Live,<br>
that wouldn't qualify with the rules you're setting now:<br>
<a href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html</a><br>
<br>
I can understand the frustration of some, who would like to make their<br>
project available on OSGeo Live to reach out to more users. Because this<br>
might be actually a way to build a community. We could help them to<br>
achieve something, that is pretty difficult and can take years.<br>
<br>
So I'm not sure we have to be so strict in terms of community and<br>
maturity.<br>
We should be more strict in how software is installed (ie. providing<br>
packages) and that there is someone maintaining the project for OSGeo<br>
Live.<br>
<br>
Just some thoughts,<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28/11/15 14:43, <a href="mailto:clement@igonet.fr" target="_blank">clement@igonet.fr</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That's the answer I got for OpenEarthView project...<br>
<br>
OsGeoLive is made for user only, not at all to help starting promising<br>
projects.<br>
<br>
That's frustrating.<br>
<br>
They get the good part of free and open source projects, refusing to<br>
take the risk of helping new ones.<br>
<br>
What to say... That's not the open source (and open mind) philosophy...<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 26 novembre 2015 19:28:14 UTC+01:00, Cameron Shorter<br>
<<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br>
<br>
Hi Marco,<br>
It sounds like you have the start of a good project.<br>
However, my feeling is that has not yet reached the maturity of<br>
the other projects we have on OSGeo-Live.<br>
In particular, we help new users answer the questions:<br>
* What good open source GIS projects are out there?<br>
* What is everyone else using?<br>
<br>
What I suggest working on is getting a stronger answer to the<br>
second question.<br>
Aim to build up a community behind your project.<br>
Look to get your project used by many organisations.<br>
Aim to attract developers from these organisations.<br>
I know this is a tough ask, and often takes years to attract such<br>
a community.<br>
But attracting a community is the true test of whether a project<br>
is valuable or not.<br>
<br>
Apache has a good page about building a community which might be<br>
worth a read:<br>
<a href="http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html</a><br>
<br>
On 26/11/2015 6:39 am, Marco Afonso wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Alex,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply.<br>
<br>
Follows the MapIgniter application request to integrate OSGeo<br>
Live. As we can see, this is a very recent project but with very<br>
good technological background to evolve and specially satisfy<br>
user needs.<br>
I hope it can be accepted. If work has to be done, I'm on it!<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Marco<br>
<br>
*Please describe your application.<br>
<br>
What is its name?*<br>
It's name is MapIgniter2. The name came from previous release,<br>
where it was based on CodeIgniter PHP framework.<br>
<br>
*What is the home page URL?*<br>
The project's home is hosted on GitHub at<br>
<a href="https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2</a><br>
<br>
*Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?*<br>
It uses the MIT license.<br>
<br>
*What does the application do and how does it add value to the<br>
GeoSpatial stack of software?*<br>
MapIgniter is a GeoCMS which combines web mapping features with<br>
Content Management System (CMS) features. It is a browser-based<br>
software, or more commonly refered as a web application. The main<br>
purpose of this software is to let users publish Geographic<br>
Information on the Internet / Intranet on a free and Open Source<br>
platform. Considering that there are other Open Source web<br>
mapping platforms, MapIgniter distinguishes it self, and adds<br>
value to GeoSpatial stack software, by being powered by cutting<br>
edge Javascript and PHP frameworks/libraries, providing the best<br>
tools for creating modern web applications.<br>
*<br>
*<br>
<br>
*Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions<br>
of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add comments<br>
about how standards are used.*<br>
This software makes use of a subset of OGC standards; currently<br>
WMS and WFS. Specific version numbers can be configured by the<br>
user. MapIgniter backoffice interface allows to configure these<br>
OGC service parameters to be used by OpenLayers 3 (frontend web<br>
mapping library).<br>
<br>
*What language is it written in?*<br>
The default interface language is English. Also includes<br>
Portuguese language files. Any idiom can be added later. This is<br>
a feature of the PHP Laravel Architecture which is the PHP<br>
Framework that powers this software.<br>
<br>
*Which version of the application should be included in the next<br>
OSGeo-Live release?*<br>
MapIgniter2 targets release 1.0 for the next release of<br>
OSGeo-Live.<br>
<br>
*Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new user<br>
finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation of<br>
all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most attention<br>
to the following answers):<br>
<br>
If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application into<br>
production, it would imply that these organisations have verified<br>
the stability of your software. Has the application been rolled<br>
out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations?<br>
Please mention some of these organisations?*<br>
The number of organisations using MapIgniter2 is unknown. Mainly<br>
because this is a very recent software. Although, being<br>
MapIgniter built upon Laravel 5.1 and OpenLayers 3, these two<br>
frameworks have proven it's success in web development<br>
applications it's usage by a number of companies.<br>
<br>
Please see<br>
Laravel Jobs <a href="https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/</a><br>
Openlayers Sponsors <a href="http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html</a><br>
<br>
*Open HUB provides metrics to help assess the health of a<br>
project. Eg:<br>
<a href="http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html</a> Could<br>
you please ensure that your project is registered with Open HUB,<br>
and Open HUB has been updated to reference the correct code<br>
repository(s) for your project. What is the Open HUB URL for your<br>
project?*<br>
The Open Hub URL is <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2</a><br>
<br>
*What is the size of the user community? You can often answer<br>
this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy email<br>
list?*<br>
MapIgniter2 has no community yet. The previous release has 10<br>
forks on GitHub, 19 starred and 9 people watching the repository.<br>
The Google groups has been some activity since 2012 until April<br>
2015 from several users.<br>
<br>
*What is the size of your developer community?*<br>
Currently there is one developer.<br>
<br>
*Do you have a bug free, stable release?*<br>
Not yet.<br>
*<br>
*<br>
*Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone<br>
through.*<br>
There will be automated tests in soon.<br>
<br>
*How long has the project has had mature code.*<br>
The project is very recent.<br>
<br>
*OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use<br>
rather than libraries. Does the application have a user interface<br>
(possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact<br>
with? (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and<br>
will include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if they<br>
don't have a user interface.)*<br>
Yes the software works on a web browser interface.<br>
<br>
*We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects<br>
which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is<br>
involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be<br>
presented at FOSS4G, then please mention it.*<br>
Previous release of MapIgniter was presented to the OSGeo<br>
Portuguese community on the 16th November 2012.<br>
<br>
Please see<br>
<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318</a><br>
<a href="http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/</a><br>
*<br>
*<br>
*With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core<br>
packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single<br>
project email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a<br>
volunteer (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between<br>
OSGeo-Live and the project's communities. This volunteer will be<br>
responsible for ensuring the install scripts and English<br>
documentation are updated by someone for each OSGeo-Live release.<br>
Also test that the installed application and Quickstart<br>
documentation works as expected on release candidate releases of<br>
OSGeo-Live. Who will act as the project's liaison person.*<br>
*<br>
OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference is:<br>
<br>
Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS<br>
Install .deb files from a PPA<br>
Write a custom install script<br>
<br>
Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.*<br>
*MapIgniter is a web mapping application based on PHP Laravel 5.1<br>
Framework. Laravel framework runs over Apache2 or Nginx web<br>
servers. MapIgniter system requirements matches Laravel 5.1<br>
requirements.*<br>
MapIgniter install procedure is similar to Laravel install<br>
procedure. It can be manually installed by using the instructions<br>
documented in MapIgniter GitHub repository. Also, there is an<br>
install script (linux) that automates the install process. Just<br>
enter onto Apache public folder and run from shell<br>
curl<br>
<a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh</a><br>
| sudo sh<br>
<br>
Please see<br>
Laravel Documentation <a href="http://laravel.com/docs/5.1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://laravel.com/docs/5.1</a><br>
Install script<br>
<a href="https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh</a><br>
<br>
*OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application<br>
run in 512 Meg of RAM?*<br>
Yes.<br>
<br>
*How much disk space will be required to install the application<br>
and a suitable example application?*<br>
Approximately 38 Mbytes.<br>
<br>
*We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make use<br>
of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of the<br>
example datasets already installed:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets</a><br>
If another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss<br>
here. Is it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which<br>
may already be included in the standard release.*<br>
Examples datasets provided by OSGeo Live are fine to be used with<br>
MapIgniter. Optimum data is with native Web Mercator projection.<br>
<br>
*Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview<br>
available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC<br>
By-SA license. (You may release under a second license as well).<br>
Will you produce this?*<br>
Yes.<br>
<br>
*In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers<br>
for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for these<br>
in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be<br>
wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?*<br>
Yes, Windows installer.<br>
*<br>
*<br>
<br>
<br>
2015-11-25 17:01 GMT+00:00 Alex Mandel<br>
<<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com" target="_blank">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com" target="_blank">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>>>:<br>
<br>
On 11/25/2015 08:24 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I would like to submit a new project for OSGeo-Live.<br>
><br>
> The project in case is MapIgniter2.<br>
> Here is the home of the project:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2</a><br>
><br>
> I would like to know what are the requirements and<br>
procedures to be<br>
> accepted to integrate OSGeo Live.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
Marco,<br>
<br>
Reply to this thread with the answers to the following<br>
questions:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply</a><br>
<br>
<br>
The expanded details of adding new projects is documented at:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project</a><br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Regards,<br>
Marco Afonso<br>
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