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Hi Gabriele,<br>
Great to hear that you aim to version WebWorldWind, although I
appreciate that it might not be ready for the next release.<br>
<br>
I suggest that WebWorldWind be attempted to be packaged for the next
release, but if it is not ready (with a defined version number) then
we will not advertise it in the upcoming release. (Ie, the docs
won't be included but the application will be on the USB, so it
could be used in workshops if needed).<br>
<br>
When a release number is sorted out, it can then be linked in with
the rest of the documentation.<br>
Many applications which have joined OSGeo-Live have followed this
process, getting a beta working first, then going public with the
following release.<br>
<br>
With regards to schedule [1]:<br>
* Draft installers should for new applications should be in place by
11 Jan 2016. We can be a little flexible with this date.<br>
* Feature freeze for all applications is 1 Feb 2016. This is a hard
date that applications should be ready by.<br>
<br>
As you might note, you have quite a bit of work to do if you are to
make the next release. So depending on how quickly you can work, we
might need to focus on getting a draft in place for this release,
and final for next release.<br>
<br>
What do you think? How quickly do you think you can pull components
together?<br>
<br>
Cheers, Cameron<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/01/2016 10:58 pm, Gabriele
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve been talking with
Patrick, and we agreed on versioning with a tagged release
WebWorldWind, although this cannot be achieved for technical
reasons before few weeks at least. I clearly understand that
having a tagged release is useful for different reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Since at the moment we
cannot officially define it, I would suggest to mark it as
‘pre-release’ or even 0.1.0 but not formally until they can
mark it. I still support the inclusion because, as I
previously mentioned the web version is the one with the
greatest expectation and a wider future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Let me know what you
think about it, or if you have other ideas regarding it.
Unless we could wait for the next release to include it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriele.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b>From: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com">Angelos Tzotsos</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>sabato 9 gennaio 2016 12:34<br>
<b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com">Gabriele
Prestifilippo</a>; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">Cameron Shorter</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:maplabs@light42.com">Brian M Hamlin</a>; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA
WorldWind</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Gabriele, how about a 0.x release
number, until there is a feature complete 1.0 release?</span><span
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM,
Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Ok,<br>
I'll rephase "requirement" to "<i>strongly
request</i> the version of World Wind Web
installed on OSGeo-Live be allocated a version
number", for the reasons listed below.<br>
Gabriele, do you think this is achievable?<br>
<br>
I think I'm safe in saying that using version
numbers is in line with best practice software
engineering, and one of the indications of
project maturity we wish to encourage.<br>
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Cheers, Cameron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>+1 kalxas<br>
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On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:09:24 +0200, Angelos
Tzotsos <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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New Roman",serif">Hi Cameron, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Given that
we include at least another
project that uses "trunk" (for
many years now) and not a released
version, we cannot make this a
hard requirement in my opinion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">On Fri, Jan
8, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Cameron
Shorter <<a
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Hi
Gabriele,<br>
Thanks for offering to help
with reducing packaging size.
That will be helpful.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be very
valuable for the version of
the World Wind Web to be
installed on OSGeo-Live to be
allocated a version number.
There are many reasons for
this, including:<br>
1. People will be able to
determine if the version of
World Wind Web they are
looking at is the latest
version.<br>
2. People will be able to
determine if they should
upgrade to a more recent
version (because they are
looking at an older version)<br>
3. Developers and users will
be able to align feature lists
and bug reports with specific
version numbers, which will
help users determine whether
to upgrade<br>
<br>
I think that defining a
package version number should
be a prerequisite for
including the package on
OSGeo-Live. The version number
could be called "beta" so long
as it is considered "stable"
by the developer and user
community.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">On
7/01/2016 2:22 am,
Gabriele Prestifilippo
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Hi, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">the Java
version and the
JavaScript’s one, are
two different
applications, so we
need to separate them.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">I
understand that the
size of the Java might
be a problem. I can
try to work a bit on
it and delete the not
strictly necessary
files from the
original package, so
to achieve a
reasonable size. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Regarding
the web version, I may
ask Patrick about a
tagged release, even
if now it seems to
appear as
‘pre-release’ version.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Even
though I want to
reassure you that in
spite of being not
even a beta, its usage
was growing
consistently in the
past two years (as you
may see from the
different projects
developed), and no
bugs were reported. It
is tagged in this way
because not all the
features available in
the Java version are
yet available. </span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Gabriele.</span></p>
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</span></strong><a
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href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Angelos Tzotsos</a><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:
</span></strong>mercoledì
6 gennaio 2016 14:32<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:
</span></strong><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cameron Shorter</a>;
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele
Prestifilippo</a><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:
</span></strong><a
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:
</span></strong>Re:
[Live-demo] Submit new
project - NASA
WorldWind</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank
you Gabriele for the
detailed responses.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
also strongly
support the
inclusion of Nasa
World Wind in
OSGeoLive.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding
the size of the
installation, I
would like to try a
basic installation
first (without
documentation to
save some space) so
we can find out how
much World Wind will
compress in the iso.
The next step would
be to try to use the
data already present
in the disk. Then we
will be able to make
a decision regarding
the amount of sample
data that will be
needed.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding
Java vs Web version,
personally I would
like to see both
included. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having
a tagged release is
a good sign of
stability, so I
would prefer to have
a tagged version
included. This would
also help potential
packaging efforts.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Angelos</p>
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Wed, Jan 6, 2016
at 2:24 PM,
Cameron Shorter
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<p
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Gabriele,<br>
Based on your
responses, it
seems that Go
World Wind is
a mature,
established
open source
GIS product,
which is in
line with the
principles of
OSGeo Live.<br>
<br>
On the
downsite, it
appears to be
a large
product, which
may be a
challenge to
fit on
OSGeo-Live.
I'd be
interested to
hear thoughts
from Angelos
and others in
that regard.<br>
<br>
The
documentation
does appear to
be
comprehensive
and I feel
shouldn't be
included with
the OSGeo-Live
release (it
can be
referenced).
Instead just
provide
standard
OSGeo-Live
Project
Overview and
Quickstart.<br>
<br>
Also, I
request you
make use of
existing
OSGeo-Live
sample data
rather that
adding a new
dataset. This
reduces disk
space and
helps with
comparisons
and
integration
between
applications.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
I'm undecided
on whether
World Wind Web
is ready. I'd
be hoping to
see a specific
stable version
nominated for
inclusion. <br>
It also seems
to have a
relatively new
development
history, so
might not have
reached a
stable release
yet?<br>
<br>
Would it make
to bundle
GeoWorldWind
and
WorldWindWeb
together? Or
are they two
stand alone
applications?<br>
<br>
Warm regards,
Cameron</p>
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