<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Cameron,<br><br></div>Yes, and I made a tweet out of it !<br></div>Thank you for your help too.<br><br></div>About the translations, as transifex will arrive soon (thanks to Vicky !), it should be a good idea to wait a bit more, and let them use and practice transifex rather than text on github. Vicky tell me how to add the french translation by myself before.<br><div>What do you think of ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>Julien.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-06-20 22:45 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hi Julien,</p>
    <p>In case you missed it, I've reviewed your Proj4 Project Overview,
      pull request is here:</p>
    <p><a class="m_6483893530497075243moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/216" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/<wbr>OSGeoLive-doc/pull/216</a><br>
    </p>
    Thanks for your work.<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div class="m_6483893530497075243moz-cite-prefix">On 17/6/17 7:19 am, Julien Moquet
      wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hi Cameron,<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                >> Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her
                brother who is in hospital, so she will be short on
                spare time for a bit.</div>
              <br>
              Thank you for telling me. I am sure she'd be back soon.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              >> I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc
              updates this weekend, from a readability point of view.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            I'm done with proj4 on my side : doc & iso 10.5 are good
            for me.<br>
            I am about to pull request it.<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          <div>It would have been done whatever the release it is for.
            It wasn't so much work to do.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
            Regards,<br>
          </div>
        </div>
        Julien.<br>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">2017-06-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 Cameron
            Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                <p>Hi Julien,</p>
                <p>Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her brother
                  who is in hospital, so she will be short on spare time
                  for a bit.</p>
                <p>I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc
                  updates this weekend, from a readability point of
                  view. <br>
                </p>
                <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
                </p>
                <div>
                  <div class="m_6483893530497075243gmail-h5"> <br>
                    <div class="m_6483893530497075243gmail-m_-9042082746343775056moz-cite-prefix">On
                      16/6/17 7:15 am, Julien Moquet wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Hi Vicky,<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            I am downloading the 10.5 iso in order to
                            make the test.<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I had a look to pgRouting's quickstart,
                            and made a very few change : are you agree
                            to be proj4's quickstart's reviewer ?<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          Regards,<br>
                        </div>
                        Julien.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-06-14 20:29
                          GMT+02:00 Julien Moquet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moquet.julien@gmail.com" target="_blank">moquet.julien@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                    <div>Hi Vicky,<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    I am not in the incubating list as a
                                    human being, but metacrs is :<br>
                                    <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  I'll have a look on pgRouting.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                Regards,<br>
                              </div>
                              Julien.<br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2017-06-14
                                    3:02 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>></span>:<br>
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                                        <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello
                                          Julien,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Now about the documentation<br>
                                          I see you've worked on your
                                          fork, these are the
                                          differences:<br>
                                          is that correct?<br>
                                          <a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/compare/master...julien2512:master" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeo<wbr>Live-doc/compare/master...juli<wbr>en2512:master</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I dont think you are
                                          incubating project (I dont see
                                          it in the list of incubating
                                          projects), so this might not
                                          apply.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <pre>.. image:: ../../images/logos/OSGeo_incub<wbr>ation.png
  :scale: 100 %
  :alt: OSGeo Project
  :align: right
  :target: <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator<wbr>/process/principles.html</a>
</pre>​</div><div>​But I see you advanced a lot on the documentation 👍​</div><div>​You might as well do the PR so that the other members of the team can give you feed back.​</div>
<div>​Vicky.​</div><div>​​
</div><div>PS, in pgRouting   the documentation is done in such a way, to make minimal changes in further releases of OSGeo Live.
</div>


</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Julien Moquet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moquet.julien@gmail.com" target="_blank">moquet.julien@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
</span><div><div class="m_6483893530497075243gmail-m_-9042082746343775056m_4849409678809483915h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Vicky,

</div>My fork is up to date regarding the overview and quickstart: 
<a href="https://github.com/julien2512/OSGeoLive-doc" target="_blank">https://github.com/julien2512/<wbr>OSGeoLive-doc</a>

</div>Before making a pull request, I need to test it over the OsGeoLive-10.5 (on wednesday or thursday).

</div>Although, as I read the sources.list include in this version, I don't really think the latest proj4 will be used.
<div>The ubuntugis is used for that, and there is only the stable 4.8.0-3 proj4 release to be used.
See : <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu/pool/main/p/proj/" target="_blank">http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubunt<wbr>ugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu<wbr>/pool/main/p/proj/</a>
</div><div>and <a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/osgeolive_10_5/sources.list.d/ubuntugis.list" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeo<wbr>Live/blob/osgeolive_10_5/sourc<wbr>es.list.d/ubuntugis.list</a>
</div><div>
</div><div>That's why I finally don't have to change the proj4 release on its overview.
</div><div>I only bypass the metacrs and stuff.
</div><div>
</div><div>Regards,
</div><div>Julien.
</div><div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote"><span>2017-06-11 18:11 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>></span>:
</span><div><div class="m_6483893530497075243gmail-m_-9042082746343775056m_4849409678809483915m_-5995239267411683076h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi Julien, et all
</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Maybe you can help me.
</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It so happened that I sent another mail asking about what version to use, while reviewing today, I saw that I didn't send the mail to proj4.
</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">(my mail merge skills are not so good)
</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
So, here is the hand made mail:
</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;font-family:"Arial";font-style:normal">Hi all,

With the upcoming OSGeo-Live 11.0 reboot, we will be re-inserting each project into the OSGeo-Live baseline once someone from each 
project has replied to confirm that they have reviewed docs and verified the application works as expected.

Can you please:
 0. Reply by return email to confirm that you have recieved this email and that you are able to check docs within the next 2 weeks. (sooner would be better if you can)
 1. Reply to confirm the Project Overview is still accurate, or has been updated, (and version numbers are correct) 
 2. Reply to confirm you have run a recent OSGeo-Live version (the previous 10.5 version is ok), and updated the quickstart where needed.
 We understand that version 4.9.2 of  proj4 will be installed on OSGeo-Live 11.0 (Version 4.9.2 was installed on OSGeo-Live 10.5.)
</span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;font-family:"Arial";font-style:normal">(all in one reply is ok)
</span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">

Full package status can be seen here:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spread<wbr>sheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMl<wbr>M8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?h<wbr>l=en_GB#gid=2014800150</a>



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... full schedule <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com<wbr>/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3<wbr>YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_<wbr>GB</a>


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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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    <p>Hi Julien,</p>
    <p>Thanks for offering to help with translations. I'm looping in
      Niko and Vicky who are currently wrestling with trying to get
      transifex to work. If you are familiar with it, you might be able
      to help them.</p>
    <p>Warm regards, Cameron

    </p>
    

    <div class="m_6483893530497075243gmail-m_-9042082746343775056m_4849409678809483915m_-5995239267411683076m_-6783346685257228812m_-2621240677037871176m_-4942071949223198662moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/17 3:22 am, Julien Moquet wrote:

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          <div>
            <div>Hi,

              

            </div>
            >> It would be ok to say "Proj4 has been translated
            into other languages, including proj4js, ..."

            > Agreed that metacrs is probably a bit too ..

            

          </div>
          I am fully agree too.

          

          

          

          

        </div>
        <div>And as OsGeoLive aims to be multilanguages, I can help on
          the proj4 French Translation pages.</div>
        <div>

        </div>
        Regards,

        <div>
          <div>

          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra">

        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-31 22:15 GMT+02:00 Even Rouault
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>></span>:

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            <div><span>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">On
                  jeudi 1 juin 2017 05:57:38 CEST Cameron Shorter wrote:</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  Hi Evan,</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                </p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  Yes, MetaCRS was a project gathering all the Proj4
                  projects together.</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  However, it appears that proj4 is the only project in
                  that grouping</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  which is active?</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                </p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  Hence my thoughts are that "MetaCRS" should be dropped
                  from OSGeo-Live</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  as a concept and "Proj4" be used instead. It would be
                  ok to say "Proj4</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  has been translated into other languages, including
                  proj4js, ..."</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                </p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">>
                  Your thoughts are welcome.</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
              </span>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Regarding
                what is listed currently in metacrs :</p>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-
                proj4js: no opinion</p>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-
                cs-map: no-opinion</p>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-
                geotiff/libgeotiff: heavily used underneath by GDAL in
                particular, mostly in maintaince mode, but can be
                treated as a technical dependency that doesn't require
                to be visible from users.</p>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-
                proj4j: no opinion</p>
              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-
                <a href="http://spatialreference.org" target="_blank">spatialreference.org</a>:
                not maintained in years. <a href="http://epsg.io/" target="_blank">http://epsg.io/</a>
                would be a possible replacement</p>
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              <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Agreed
                that metacrs is probably a bit too ... meta for folks
                exploring OSGeo-Live content, so it could make sense
                exposing proj.4 as a standalone project.</p>
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                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Spatialys
                  - Geospatial professional services</p>
                <p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="http://www.spatialys.com" target="_blank">http://www.spatialys.com</a></p>
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