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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=982595620-23032006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Will Studio Lite not be supporting the creation of
layouts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=982595620-23032006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I think that making a binary distribution of the FDO
providers available would be a great idea. Would you be able
to support both Linux and Windows with this (are they loadable
modules in Linux?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=982595620-23032006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jason</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Robert Bray
[mailto:robert.bray@autodesk.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 23, 2006
12:51<BR><B>To:</B> users@mapguide.osgeo.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[mapguide-users] Commercial vs. Open Source Functionality<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some more
answers…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1. The initial Studio
Lite will be a subset, with support for creating SDF and SHP data sources,
layers, and maps. It’s all just an HTML based web application though so pretty
easy for someone in the open source domain to
extend.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2. That’s the plan.
Studio Lite should be available sometime in the spring and Studio does not
expire until October 1.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3. The Open Source
effort behind FDO is taking longer than we would like. In the interim would
folks on this list mind getting binaries for these so that you could at least
make use of them?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can’t comment on
pricing at the moment because it is not finalized, but I can tell you that it
will be sold on a subscription basis. The one other benefit to going commercial
besides Oracle, SQL Server, and our OEM coordinate system library is the
availability of product support. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Buscher,
Shane [mailto:Shane.Buscher@nngco.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:27
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
users@mapguide.osgeo.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [mapguide-users] Commercial vs.
Open Source Functionality</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I appreciate everyone's
response and am glad that some input from Autodesk was received. I am
especially interested in pursuing the use of this product because I see it
solving many of our technical needs. I know that AutoDesk needs to make
money off of this somehow since they are embracing open source instead of
competing against it. So kudos to Autodesk and the OS community for
partnering on this endeavor. I think ESRI is losing serious ground with
the advent of Google Maps, and now MapGuide. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">A majority of the answers
were provided, although it generated a couple more:
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1) Will Studio Lite support
everything it currently has available (or supposed to have available)?
>From a development end I need to know whether you will be able to make all the
data source connections (wms, sql server, sde, etc…) with studio lite, for
example. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2) Will Studio Lite be
available before Studio Preview expires, avoiding a gap in time where OS
developers have no authoring tool?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">3) Are there any tentative
release dates for some of the OS functionality? Also, any pricing being
made available for the commercial products? </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT>
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Shane</SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Content-Type:
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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64EA2.165BC440"<BR>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006
09:49:09 -0800<BR>From: Robert Bray <robert.bray@autodesk.com><BR>Subject:
[mapguide-users] Commercial vs. Open Source
Functionality<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Thanks Jason good answers.
Let me just confirm (with my Autodesk hat<BR>on). When we launched
mapguide.osgeo.org we moved all of the core source<BR>code for MapGuide into
open source (you can see our daily development by<BR>subscribing to the commits
e-mail list). Both the open source and<BR>commercial versions of the product are
built from this one code base. We<BR>actually deleted our internal source tree,
so any changes to open source<BR>will appear in commercial and vice versa. Now
that said, we are a<BR>business and need to make money in order to keep
producing software. So<BR>the commercial version will have additional
functionality, but these<BR>will be more like add-ons that come with the
commercial distribution<BR>(the core code will be the same).<BR><BR><BR><BR>1.
Studio is a commercial product. There is an open source web-based<BR>variation
in the works that we plan to have available later this spring.<BR>It will not be
as functional as the commercial version, but it will be a<BR>full open source
project.<BR><BR><BR><BR>2. The Open Source release will eventually contain
providers for SDF,<BR>SHP, ArcSDE, MySQL, ODBC, WMS, and WFS. As Jason points
out, Frank W is<BR>working on a Raster provider based on GDAL and we would
really like to<BR>get a PostGIS provider developed. These same providers (with
the<BR>exception of GDAL) are shipping with the upcoming release of
Autodesk<BR>Map. Getting them ready for that release has taken priority over
getting<BR>them ready for open source. Again we are a business and need to fund
all<BR>of this somehow.<BR><BR><BR><BR>As for investment, we have put over two
years of development into this<BR>product. We have big plans for it and
absolutely no intention of<BR>abandoning
it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR>From: Jason
Birch [</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:Jason.Birch@nanaimo.ca"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">mailto:Jason.Birch@nanaimo.ca</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">]<BR>Sent: Thursday, March
23, 2006 10:05 AM<BR>To: users@mapguide.osgeo.org<BR>Subject: RE:
[mapguide-users] Commercial vs. Open Source Functionality<BR><BR><BR><BR>Your
questions are shared by many. This is just my interpretation, but<BR>the
information that Autodesk has revealed so far indicates that:<BR><BR><BR><BR>1.
Studio will be strictly commercial (it contains AutoCAD components)<BR>but
Autodesk will be creating an open source "Studio Lite" application<BR>for
authoring maps.<BR><BR><BR><BR>2. ArcSDE and WMS providers will be in the Open
Source edition, as will<BR>ODBC which you can use to access aspatial data in SQL
Server. The<BR>Essential FDO guide provides more information on
this:<BR></SPAN></FONT><A
href="https://fdo.osgeo.org/docs/FET_TheEssentialFDO.pdf"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">https://fdo.osgeo.org/docs/FET_TheEssentialFDO.pdf</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"> Currently
the<BR>providers not slated for OS release are Oracle, SQL Server (spatial)
and<BR>Raster. This last one is a bit of a sticking point, but I believe
that<BR>Frank W is working on a GDAL Raster provider.<BR><BR><BR><BR>3. The OS
version of the MapGuide code is the only version. The<BR><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Enterprise</st1:place></st1:City> package that
Autodesk is selling will of course have<BR>additional applications and plugins
provided with it, but the entire<BR>community will benefit from enhancements to
the core, which is on its<BR>own pretty impressive. As a commercial
entity, Autodesk is in this to<BR>make money, and will be doing so with a
combination of services and<BR>software sales, similar to the Red Hat
model.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jason<BR><BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR>From:
Buscher, Shane [</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:Shane.Buscher@nngco.com"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">mailto:Shane.Buscher@nngco.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">]<BR>Sent: Thursday, March
23, 2006 05:45<BR>To: users@mapguide.osgeo.org<BR>Subject: [mapguide-users]
Commercial vs. Open Source Functionality<BR><BR>All right, I'm a little
frustrated at this point trying to figure out<BR>the current direction of
MapGuide OS and MapGuide Commercial. I'm<BR>trying to choose between
several competing technologies in the web<BR>mapping arena, including ArcIMS,
MapGuide OS, MapGuide Commercial, and<BR>MapServer. <BR><BR>1. Is the
MapGuide Studio product going to become strictly a commercial<BR>product?
I see it expires in October. If so, what authoring tool is<BR>going to be
made available for the OS users, if any?<BR><BR>2. There's a lot of vaporware
advertising going on, especially in the<BR>data provider category. I have
SQL Server, ArcSDE, and WMS consumption<BR>requirements. These are
documented as being supported, but you quickly<BR>realize they are not
post-install. Are these functionalities only going<BR>to be made available
in the Commercial product? This is what it seems.<BR><BR>What is the
general direction for both OS and Commercial? Are they<BR>going to be one
in the same, with only support being the difference<BR>between the two?
Or, will Autodesk just add functionality independently<BR>of the OS project,
leaving the open source community to catch up?<BR><BR>Maybe this is not the
right forum to ask these questions, but I don't<BR>know where else to ask.
It's important to know the direction of these<BR>products, as I'm looking for a
long term solution.<BR><BR>Thanks in advance.<BR><BR>Shane
Buscher<BR>GIS/Compliance Systems<BR>Northern Natural
Gas<BR>402.398.7841</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shane Buscher</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">GIS/Compliance Systems</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Northern Natural Gas</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">402.398.7841</SPAN></FONT>
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