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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=290142403-09092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>"Hobbled" - it is a full functioning version of the Oracle
DBMS with tons of spatial capabilities (the entire locator engine in fact
with a few Oracle spatial gems hidden as well - we have discovered a few that
are available). Also, Oracle is the world's largest database vendor and I
read recently (in an IDC report - I think it was) that something like 80-90% of
the world's spatial data that are stored in a DBMS are stored in
Oracle.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=290142403-09092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Oracle XE includes the ability to do spatial queries,
tons of spatial data manipulation procedures such as simplifying features,
manipulating data in just about every possible way, the ability to do coordinate
transformations, store and manipulate linear referencing data (does postGIS come
with LRS capabilities?) and best of all it is completely scalable into the
entire Oracle suite (since it is a version of the Oracle Standard platform
- with views, triggers, stored procedures, etc.). Check it out for
yourself (<A
href="http://www.oracle.com/technology/xe/index.html">http://www.oracle.com/technology/xe/index.html</A>)
- the GUI does not offer the true power - the command line tools are where the
power lies. I am not an Oracle salesman, just someone who wants to build a
scalable system that can open the most doors cost
effectively.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=290142403-09092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Do not get me wrong I am a huge open source advocate
(particularly MapGuide) but the spatial vendors still do not play well with
databases (and each other) and Oracle seems to be the best common
denominator - I can use my GeoMedia Pro license to connect to Oracle XE, I
would be able to use Autodesk Map ad MapGuide if some one will provide the
FDO (free or otherwise), ESRI of course is a lost cause (and out of my equation)
because it does not have SDE bolted on top (and the direct connect is a joke)
but I am looking for an open system with flexibility in the tools I use.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=290142403-09092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>And to me MapGuide is a phenomenal tool and Oracle XE can
allow me the flexibility to store my CAD data or GIS data (using Autodesk
Map and MapGuide if a FDO existed) and use my GIS tools such as
GeoMedia and possibly even MapInfo.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=290142403-09092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Just my two cents in four
paragraphs...</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Paul Ramsey
[mailto:pramsey@refractions.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 08, 2006
7:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> users@mapguide.osgeo.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>When the PostGIS FDO provider is out, I think you should look at
that. Why use a hobbled DB like XE when you can have a real one?
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<DIV>On 8-Sep-06, at 6:00 PM, Ross Smith wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any thoughts
on providing support for Oracle XE? And you mention on your web site that you
may open source the FDO connector. What would you required from the community
to do so?</SPAN><O:P
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does anyone
else know of any Oracle XE FDOs that exist? I have a tremendous amount of
interest in Oracle XE and MapGuide to build enterprise GISes.</SPAN><O:P
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Traian
Stanev [<A
href="mailto:traian.stanev@autodesk.com">mailto:traian.stanev@autodesk.com</A>]
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Friday,
September 08, 2006 9:17 AM</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</A></SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> RE:
[mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After a quick
try... I got a succesful connection in MG Studio, but when trying to create a
layer, I get no feature classes listed, so either the tables I have in the
Oracle server are all weird or something else is going on... I'll try to call
the provider directly from a test program to see if I get any data
back.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Haris
Kurtagic [<A href="mailto:haris@sl-king.com">mailto:haris@sl-king.com</A>]
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN
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September 07, 2006 7:59 PM</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</A></SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B
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[mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am working
on new FDO provider for Oracle.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can read
more about it and download it here: </SPAN><A
href="http://www.sl-king.com/fdooracle"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline">www.sl-king.com/fdooracle</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is not
open source project yet, but it is free to use.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would
appreciate if you try it and if you give me some
feedback.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P
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