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color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Kenneth,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for the clarification, I didn't get the concept of
Maesto API LocalNativeConnection in first place. The assumption is - if I
develop a managed server-side component relying on Meastro API
LocalNativeConnection, then it would use the headerless loopback connection to
MG repository (aside from managed object (de)serialization)?
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color=#0000ff size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Maksim Sestic</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> mapguide-users-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:mapguide-users-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kenneth
Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2008
12:07<BR><B>To:</B> MapGuide Users Mail List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[mapguide-users] Silverlight/Moonlight Viewer<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>There are. If you create a MgResourceService object, you are talking
to the repository.<BR>And MaestroAPI uses this (with a LocalNativeConnection) to
talk to the MapGuide server.<BR><BR>I have not followed it all the way, but I
think that the MgResourceService is about as close <BR>as it gets, to the
repository content. <BR><BR>Alternatively, you can use DBXml and read the
database directly, but that is a recipie for trouble.<BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Regards, Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S
</PRE><BR><BR>Maksim Sestic skrev:
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color=#0000ff size=2>I agree, the thing is that there's no MG managed wrappers
we can leverage to talk to the repository manager directly. If we had one, we
could start from that point on. Could we use Meastro API for repository
objects serialization/deserialization in managed fashion
then?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Maksim Sestic</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
June 26, 2008 11:30<BR><B>To:</B> MapGuide Users Mail List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [mapguide-users] Silverlight/Moonlight Viewer<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Yes, the
http roundtrip time is a beast.<BR><BR>I think the server is (partly) divided,
with one part being a repository manager.<BR>You can already retrieve
resources with calls, and coordinate data with another.<BR>The MgApi interacts
directly with the server, it is still serialized, but binary.<BR>The MgApi
uses the loopback connection, but does not use a webserver, and has no http
headers.<BR><BR>So you can still do it, but I agree that it would make sense
to divide the different parts more rigidly.<BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Regards, Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S
</PRE><BR><BR>Maksim Sestic skrev:
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color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Kenneth,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>I guess that someone :-) needs to build a
tier-neutral repository viewer first, then leverage it's API via
Silverlight/Moonlight. Presumably using .NET. Currently, the engine is
called MapGuide Server :-) but it's kernel is server-tier oriented and any
external communication with it goes via Http on mandatory base. It would be
perfect if we had respository manager as a separate API - representing
the actual core. Then, a web-tier API (another component) leverages
repository API to talk over Http with thin clients. So developers might pick
if they want to use either web-tier approach (i.e. JavaScript) or want to
talk via SOAP/linking to the repository manager
directly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Don't know actually... just a couple of thoughts from
my side.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=859042108-26062008>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><SPAN class=859042108-26062008>Maksim
Sestic</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
June 26, 2008 10:04<BR><B>To:</B> MapGuide Users Mail
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [mapguide-users] Silverlight/Moonlight
Viewer<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Silverlight uses GDI+, which also supports
hardware acceleration.<BR>I would prefer Silverlight over Java because it
intergrates better with the html DOM (IMO).<BR><BR>As for codebase, the
current viewers are based on Javascript, and they are limited to
<BR>manipulating pre-rendered images.<BR><BR>The DWF viewer is some of it,
but it is still ActiveX based.<BR>I suppose one could make plugins for all
browsers, but it still difficult <BR>to persuade regular web users to
install it.<BR><BR>Since Silverlight/Moonlight is more likely to be
installed already,<BR>and backed by Microsoft, it will probably be
easier.<BR><BR>Flash is another option, but it is terribly hard to work with
(IMO).<BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Regards, Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S
</PRE><BR><BR>Carl Jokl skrev:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:18128249.post@talk.nabble.com type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I think that there could potentially be a number of alternatives to using an
Active X based viewer. I could see potential also for both Flash or Java to
create a viewer too. One problem with the Active X viewer in relation to the
clients of the company I work for is the security / administrative problem
for our clients. Organisations internet security policies could interfere
with deployment of an Active X control. I would think though that the same
issue would apply to a Java based viewer too. Silverlight might work better
in this regard.
One of the reasons I find the Java option interesting is the availability of
JOGL essentially allowing a Applet or Web Start application to be able to
take advantage of Hardware accelerated graphics. I don't know if any
alternative viewers have been worked on. If much of MapGuide is open source
would that include the viewer? If so it might be possible to start from the
existing viewer source code and port it to another platform.
Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Has anyone started or is considering starting development of a viewer in
Silverlight/Moonlight?
Such a viewer should be able to achieve performance that is comparable
to the MapGuide 6.5 viewer,
without the need for an ActiveX plugin.
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Regards, Kenneth Skovhede, GEOGRAF A/S
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