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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The PostGIS FDO you are developing, will
this be on open source or freely available, If so what is the release date. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Although I have heard good things about
Postgres/GIS, since I have no first hand experience, would like to know what
people think of using Postgres/GIS in an enterprise GIS environment. How would it
fare w.r.t performance with say 50GB GIS and 25 GB of attribute data, does it
support clustering, any benchmarks that compare it against other databases ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Paul Ramsey
[mailto:pramsey@refractions.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 09, 2006
10:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> users@mapguide.osgeo.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [mapguide-users] New
Oracle FDO provider</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think hardware limitations that approximate a mid-range desktop, as
opposed to even a medium range server, along with the "locator only"
restriction constitute "hobbled" pretty fairly. And to get out of the
paddock, that next step up the licensing ladder is a doozy...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>(PS - And check out the on-disk size of Oracle geometries before you
pronounce that 4GB (four! gigabytes! yah!) of database storage more that enough
too. Add the format fluff to the fact that extra space is needed to manage
transactions and indexes and you'll find that 4GB tablespace segment is used up
pretty quick and you're reaching for the cheque-book before you know it...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 8-Sep-06, at 8:57 PM, Andy Morsell wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I'm with you. Whether you like Oracle (the
<u>commercial</u> software company) or not, their database software is great.
I'm not quite sure how one defines "hobbled" but Oracle XE seems
robust enough for most web applications. The only limitations are 4 GB of total
DB information, 1 GB maximum of allocated RAM, and the usage of 1 CPU per
install. Of course, the spatial capabilities (as discussed in this mailing list
a couple of days ago) are the same as Oracle Locator. So, in this way, it would
be very suitable for most web and lightweight apps, but might be a stretch for
enterprise GIS purposes.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Andy
Morsell, P.E.</span></font> <br>
<font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Spatial
Integrators, Inc.</span></font> <br>
<font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="http://www.SpatialGIS.com">http://www.SpatialGIS.com</a></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Ross Smith
[<a href="mailto:r0ss@shaw.ca">mailto:r0ss@shaw.ca</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 08, 2006
8:44 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [mapguide-users] New
Oracle FDO provider</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>"Hobbled" - it is a full
functioning version of the Oracle DBMS with tons of spatial capabilities (the
entire locator engine in fact with a few Oracle spatial gems hidden as well -
we have discovered a few that are available). Also, Oracle is the world's
largest database vendor and I read recently (in an IDC report - I think it was)
that something like 80-90% of the world's spatial data that are stored in a
DBMS are stored in Oracle.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Oracle XE includes the ability to do
spatial queries, tons of spatial data manipulation procedures such as
simplifying features, manipulating data in just about every possible way, the
ability to do coordinate transformations, store and manipulate linear
referencing data (does postGIS come with LRS capabilities?) and best of all it
is completely scalable into the entire Oracle suite (since it is a version of
the Oracle Standard platform - with views, triggers, stored procedures, etc.).
Check it out for yourself (<a
href="http://www.oracle.com/technology/xe/index.html">http://www.oracle.com/technology/xe/index.html</a>)
- the GUI does not offer the true power - the command line tools are where the
power lies. I am not an Oracle salesman, just someone who wants to build a
scalable system that can open the most doors cost effectively.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Do not get me wrong I am a huge open
source advocate (particularly MapGuide) but the spatial vendors still do not
play well with databases (and each other) and Oracle seems to be the best
common denominator - I can use my GeoMedia Pro license to connect to Oracle XE,
I would be able to use Autodesk Map ad MapGuide if some one will provide the
FDO (free or otherwise), ESRI of course is a lost cause (and out of my
equation) because it does not have SDE bolted on top (and the direct connect is
a joke) but I am looking for an open system with flexibility in the tools I
use. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>And to me MapGuide is a phenomenal tool
and Oracle XE can allow me the flexibility to store my CAD data or GIS data
(using Autodesk Map and MapGuide if a FDO existed) and use my GIS tools such as
GeoMedia and possibly even MapInfo.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Just my two cents in four paragraphs...</span></font>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Paul
Ramsey [<a href="mailto:pramsey@refractions.net">mailto:pramsey@refractions.net</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 08, 2006
7:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [mapguide-users] New
Oracle FDO provider</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When the PostGIS FDO provider is out, I think you should look at that.
Why use a hobbled DB like XE when you can have a real one? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 8-Sep-06, at 6:00 PM, Ross Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='border-spacing: 0px 0px;
khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none;apple-text-size-adjust: auto;orphans: 2;
widows: 2;word-spacing:0px'>Any thoughts on providing support for Oracle XE?
And you mention on your web site that you may open source the FDO connector.
What would you required from the community to do so?<O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></O:P></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does anyone else know of
any Oracle XE FDOs that exist? I have a tremendous amount of interest in Oracle
XE and MapGuide to build enterprise GISes.<O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></O:P></span></font></span><font
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class=apple-style-span><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Traian Stanev [<a
href="mailto:traian.stanev@autodesk.com">mailto:traian.stanev@autodesk.com</a>]
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 08, 2006 9:17 AM</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</a></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
RE: [mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider</span></span></font><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=apple-style-span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'></O:P><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P>After
a quick try... I got a succesful connection in MG Studio, but when trying to
create a layer, I get no feature classes listed, so either the tables I have in
the Oracle server are all weird or something else is going on... I'll try to
call the provider directly from a test program to see if I get any data back.</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Traian</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Haris Kurtagic [<a
href="mailto:haris@sl-king.com">mailto:haris@sl-king.com</a>] </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:59 PM</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:users@mapguide.osgeo.org">users@mapguide.osgeo.org</a></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
[mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider</span></span></font><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi ,</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I am working on new FDO
provider for Oracle.</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>You can read more about
it and download it here: </span></font></span><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://www.sl-king.com/fdooracle"><span class=apple-style-span><span
style='khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>www.sl-king.com/fdooracle</span></span></a></span></font><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>It is not open source project yet, but it is free to use.</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=apple-style-span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>I would appreciate if you try it and if you give me some feedback.</span></font></span><O:P style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"></O:P><font
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