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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the feedback Mark. Our website has been in transition
for awhile and I think we’ve finally settled on a maintenance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>approach that will last. Perhaps now we can look at the very
changes you suggest. I’ve started an examples section patterned <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>after the OpenLayers approach but it has languished…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m not as enamored with a user gallery though. We had one
earlier and was impossible to maintain. Personally I favor learning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>by example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Volz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mapserver-dev] Re: GeoServer superseeding MapServer in Europe?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As a</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>comparatively new user to Mapserver
I just thought I would put in my two cents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think the main reasons
why one would chose one product over another is due to performance, features,
and ease of use.</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span>
<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>For most applications the
performance between Mapserver and GeoServer appears comparable.
Second,</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GeoServer has
some</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>interesting
features, however both Mapserver and Geoserver has a decent feature set.
This leaves us at ease of use…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>When I first tried out
Mapserver a few years ago I</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>searched
for documentation for installing Mapserver, which lead me to</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“compiling on
Win32.” Needless to say I quickly became</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>frustrated and lost trying to</span>
<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>find all the correct
dependencies on different websites. I soon decided that it was simply too
much work bother with and gave up. Later on I had found the MS4W project,
which to any new user is very easy to</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>use
as they only have to click apache-start.bat to get mapserver up and running.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Next, I</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>think any new user is</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>interested in finding an all
inclusive</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>application</span>
<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>that helps them</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>build a mapping site, that way</span>
<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>users can take the example
application and plug in their own data. </span> <span style='font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mapserver has excellent documentation and examples for
the Mapfile itself, however</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>besides
the one simple map on the main page there are no examples of applications. </span>
<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think the MS4W website does
a</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>better job at
distributing applications such as GeoMoose, and PMapper</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>that people can download, plug in
their own data and then publish the site to the web. Perhaps people might
be more intrested in using mapserver if there was a</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“Gallary” that allowed
new potential users the ability to see what Mapserver can really do.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>summarize here are some things that
I think would attract new users:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Make the link to MS4W or
FGS more</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>prevalent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Add a</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Gallery that links to</span> <span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“Easy to set up
applications” such as GeoMoose, PMapper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-If possible include some
of the</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>dependencies for
compiling mapserver on</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the
website so people do not need to sift around several websites.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mark Volz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GIS Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Lyon County, MN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Message: 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:58:16 -0400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>From: Daniel Morissette
<dmorissette@mapgears.com></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Subject: [mapserver-dev] GeoServer
superseeding MapServer in Europe?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>To: 'MapServer Dev List'
<mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Message-ID:
<4C34C038.9050204@mapgears.com></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Hi Bart,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>I saw that you tweeted the following this
morning:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>"bartvdeijnden: #Geoserver is
superseding #Mapserver at least here in Europe and I am starting to switch
mentally as well (as an early adopter of Mapserver)"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Would you care to please elaborate on the
reasons you see for this, and perhaps guide us on what we can do to help this
situation?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>I can't imagine that the slower pace of
new developments and releases of the last year or two is the only reason for
that (or is it?). Your feedback and thoughts would be much welcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:Consolas'>Daniel Morissette</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mapgears.com/"><span style='font-family:Consolas'>http://www.mapgears.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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