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Thanks Steve, I'll take a good look at it. I saw that the examples are
still about good old Itasca
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/browser/trunk/mapserver_demos/samples">http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/browser/trunk/mapserver_demos/samples</a>).<br>
<br>
Perhaps something could be learned from Regina Obe's and Leo Hsue's new
book about PostGIS (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.postgis.us/chapters">http://www.postgis.us/chapters</a>). They use
OpenLayers and GeoExt as user interface, and I wonder wether the
MapServer training set: could be completely built around these
programs. I always found the "classic" zoom and pan interface the
hardest thing to teach a beginner.<br>
<br>
Jan <br>
<br>
On 07/12/10 18:45, Lime, Steve D (DNR) wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi
Jan: Here a “samples” table of contents I had
drafted eighteen months ago. The idea was to create small samples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">and
reference them directly or via OpenLayers if appropriate.
Each sample would be tagged with keywords to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">facilitate
searches…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
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Jan Hartmann
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:j.l.h.hartmann@uva.nl">mailto:j.l.h.hartmann@uva.nl</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 09, 2010 3:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lime, Steve D (DNR)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Volz; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org">mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mapserver-dev] RE: Re: GeoServer superseeding
MapServer in
Europe?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm sure a wel-designed learning set based on
OpenLayers
would be an excellent learning tool for MapServer. The client
interactive side
has always been a major hurdle for new people, even with something as
seemingly
simple as zooming. If someone would set up and coordinate a set of
targets and
outlines, I would be happy to work out a few subjects.<br>
<br>
Jan <br>
<br>
On 07/09/10 00:46, Lime, Steve D (DNR) wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
for the feedback Mark. Our website has been in transition
for awhile and I think we’ve finally settled on a maintenance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">approach
that will last. Perhaps now we can look at the very
changes you suggest. I’ve started an examples section patterned </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">after
the OpenLayers approach but it has languished…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’m
not as enamored with a user gallery though. We had one
earlier and was impossible to maintain. Personally I favor learning</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">by
example.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Volz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org">mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mapserver-dev] Re: GeoServer superseeding MapServer
in Europe?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">As a</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">comparatively new user to
Mapserver
I just thought I would put in my two cents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">I think the
main reasons
why one would chose one product over another is due to performance,
features,
and ease of use.</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">For most
applications the
performance between Mapserver and GeoServer appears comparable.
Second,</span> <span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">GeoServer
has
some</span> <span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">interesting
features,
however both Mapserver and Geoserver has a decent feature set.
This leaves us at ease of use…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">When I first
tried out
Mapserver a few years ago I</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">searched
for documentation for installing Mapserver, which lead me to</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">“compiling on
Win32.” Needless to say I quickly became</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">frustrated and lost
trying to</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">find all the
correct
dependencies on different websites. I soon decided that it was simply
too
much work bother with and gave up. Later on I had found the MS4W
project,
which to any new user is very easy to</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">use
as they only have to click apache-start.bat to get mapserver up and
running.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Next, I</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">think any new user is</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">interested in
finding an all
inclusive</span> <span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">application</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">that helps them</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">build a mapping
site, that way</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">users can take the
example
application and plug in their own data. </span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Mapserver has excellent
documentation and examples for the
Mapfile itself, however</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">besides
the one simple map on the main page there are no examples of
applications. </span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">I
think the MS4W website does a</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">better
job at distributing applications such as GeoMoose, and PMapper</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">that people can download,
plug in
their own data and then publish the site to the web. Perhaps people
might
be more intrested in using mapserver if there was a</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">“Gallary” that allowed
new potential users the ability to see what Mapserver can really do.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">To</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">summarize here are some
things that
I think would attract new users:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">-Make the link
to MS4W or
FGS more</span> <span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">prevalent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">-Add a</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Gallery that links to</span>
<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">“Easy to set up
applications” such as GeoMoose, PMapper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">-If possible
include some
of the</span> <span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">dependencies
for
compiling mapserver on</span> <span
style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">the
website so people do not need to sift around several websites.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Mark Volz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">GIS Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Lyon County, MN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Message: 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010
13:58:16 -0400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">From: Daniel Morissette <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dmorissette@mapgears.com"><dmorissette@mapgears.com></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Subject: [mapserver-dev]
GeoServer
superseeding MapServer in Europe?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">To: 'MapServer Dev List' <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org"><mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Message-ID: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:4C34C038.9050204@mapgears.com"><4C34C038.9050204@mapgears.com></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Hi Bart,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">I saw that you tweeted the
following this
morning:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">"bartvdeijnden: #Geoserver is
superseding #Mapserver at least here in Europe and I am starting to
switch
mentally as well (as an early adopter of Mapserver)"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Would you care to please
elaborate on the
reasons you see for this, and perhaps guide us on what we can do to
help this
situation?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">I can't imagine that the
slower pace of
new developments and releases of the last year or two is the only
reason for
that (or is it?). Your feedback and thoughts would be much welcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Consolas;">Daniel Morissette</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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