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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is your aim with using GROUP without NAME to hide the layer from GetCapabilities so that users cannot see or request that layer separately but only as a member of a group? Like “opaque
container” in Geoserver <a href="https://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/user/data/webadmin/layergroups.html">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-Jukka Rahkonen-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> Seth G <sethg@geographika.co.uk> <br>
<b>Lähetetty:</b> maanantai 29. elokuuta 2022 10.45<br>
<b>Vastaanottaja:</b> Richard Greenwood <richard.greenwood@gmail.com>; Rahkonen Jukka <jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi><br>
<b>Kopio:</b> MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Aihe:</b> Re: [MapServer-dev] Possibly undocumented 8.0 change<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you create an issue for this on GitHub?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It looks like it could relate to the move to C++.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Richard Greenwood wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An empty string for the NAME works without error. I set the MS_DEBUGLEVEL to 5 and nothing is written to the error file when this error occurs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:44 AM Rahkonen Jukka <<a href="mailto:jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi">jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="qt-msonormal"><span lang="EN-US">What happens if you use an empty NAME?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="qt-msonormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Jukka Rahkonen-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> MapServer-dev <<a href="mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
<b>Puolesta </b>Richard Greenwood<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Lähetetty:</b> maanantai 29. elokuuta 2022 9.06<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Vastaanottaja:</b> Seth G <<a href="mailto:sethg@geographika.co.uk" target="_blank">sethg@geographika.co.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Aihe:</b> Re: [MapServer-dev] Possibly undocumented 8.0 change<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="qt-msonormal">Yes, it's with a WMS request. Apache throws a 500 error "End of script output before headers". I define a LAYER with a GROUP but no NAME. I don't believe METADATA plays into it because I commented out the METADATA block and it fails
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<p class="qt-msonormal">Do you have more details - is this when using WMS? Is there an error that appears?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="qt-msonormal">For WMS there is a known conflict between GROUP and wms_layer_group in a METADATA block, but this sounds like something different.<o:p></o:p></p>
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