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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for MapServer
is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI checks is to test
2 versions of PHP, but I suspect this could be migrated to GHA if
needed (e.g perhaps using <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php">https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php</a>).
For AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA.<br>
</p>
<p>(GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic architectures, in
particular ARM64, which aren't available on GHA. But GDAL only
uses the OSGeo provided budget for that, so that's OK for it)</p>
<p>Even<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :<br>
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<div>It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on Travis,
completely switching to GitHub Actions would be another item it
would be good to add to the MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC
vote. <br>
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<div>There were some previous discussions about this in 2020 [1].
Since then GHA seems to have advanced whilst Travis has
stagnated. In addition MapCache switched away from Travis [2]. I
see GDAL still uses Travis so maybe there are some advantages
I'm not aware of. <br>
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<div>As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer run and
PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't already in GHA [2].
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<div>Seth<br>
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<div>[1] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html</a><br>
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<div>[2] <a href="https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274</a></div>
<div>[3] <a
href="https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml</a><br>
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<div>On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">For 2023, some of the funds were used
for the Travis subscription for mapserver which is $828/yr
(69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest of the
year. The PayPal donation would carry over. Project funds do
not.<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">Mike<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">--</span><br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Michael
Smith</span><br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">OSGeo
Treasurer</span><br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:treasurer@osgeo.org">treasurer@osgeo.org</a></span><br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;"><span
class="size" style="font-size:12pt;">From: </span></span></b><span
style="color:black;"><span class="size"
style="font-size:12pt;">Steve Lime
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sdlime@gmail.com"><sdlime@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Michael Smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com"><michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Even Rouault
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"><even.rouault@spatialys.com></a>, Seth G
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sethg@geographika.co.uk"><sethg@geographika.co.uk></a>, MapServer Devs
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org"><mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget
planning</span></span></p>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">Is there any chance of accessing the
FY23 $'s? Problem is that we don't have a project bank
account.<br>
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<div>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal">There was also a $1,310 donation
via PayPal in March 2022 that looks to have come in via
OSGeo via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for
MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that email if
you'd like.<br>
</p>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">--Steve<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM
Michael Smith <<a
href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Proposed default
for FY24 per project is $1000 USD. Yes you can
request more than that but there should be a plan
for the additional amounts voted by PSC.<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Funds from donation
are 295.45 (looks like it was mostly in 2021 and a
bit in 2022).<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Mike<br>
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style="color:black;">-</span><br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="color:black;">Michael Smith</span><br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="color:black;">OSGeo Treasurer</span><br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""> <br>
</p>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="color:black;"><span class="size"
style="font-size:12pt;">From: </span></span></b><span
style="color:black;"><span class="size"
style="font-size:12pt;">Steve Lime <<a
href="mailto:sdlime@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sdlime@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, December 13, 2023
at 4:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Even Rouault <<a
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>,
Michael Smith <<a
href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Seth G <<a
href="mailto:sethg@geographika.co.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sethg@geographika.co.uk</a>>,
MapServer Devs <<a
href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024
budget planning</span></span></p>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""> Great ideas, I'd
support both of them. The question becomes how
much to allocate in each instance. I guess some
basic questions I'd have (and maybe Mike knows)
are: <br>
</p>
<div>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">What's that
standard per project budget allocation from
OSGeo? I thought it was something like
$1,500 but I'm not sure.<br>
</li>
<li class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Is there any
chance of getting $'s beyond that? The 2020
budget referenced earlier in the thread was
submitted to the board but it was pretty
clear there was no opportunity to secure
funding beyond that base amount.<br>
</li>
<li class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">We have some
$'s that have been donated via Paypal. I
don't know the amount but there should be at
least $1,000 available and that could be
considered as another means of paying for
this work. Again, Mike do you know what the
MapServer balance is via the donate button?<br>
</li>
<li class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">We are still
in 2023 - can we allocate this years'
standard budget allocation to this work or
otherwise roll it over? I'd like to know
what our options are. We've not done a good
job of taking advantage of the OSGeo funds
available, even if they are somewhat
limited.<br>
</li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Seth, what
level of support do you think you'd need?<br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">--Steve<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">On Thu, Dec 7,
2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault via MapServer-dev
<<a
href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Seth,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thanks for putting that together. The 2
topics (workshop and CITE tests)<br>
</div>
<div>look like excellent topics to be budgeted.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via
MapServer-dev a écrit :<br>
</div>
<div>> Hi all,<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> I've created a draft page for the
budget at <a
href="https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget</a><br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> I've also created two wiki pages for
two items I'd like to work on next year, and
to request some funds to help set aside time
to work on them. Both were discussed with
other members of the PSC at the recent OSGeo
Community Sprint:<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> A new MapServer Workshop, see details
at <a
href="https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024</a><br>
</div>
<div>> This would target FOSS4G Europe next
year. The deadline for submission is January
14th 2024 so it would be good to sort out a
budget as soon as possible to be able to
submit. Workshops are 4 hours in length.<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> Automating and refreshing the
MapServer OGC CITE tests - see <a
href="https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests</a><br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> Let me know your thoughts on the
above,<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> Seth<br>
</div>
<div>> --<br>
</div>
<div>> web:<a href="https://geographika.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://geographika.net</a>
& <a href="https://mapserverstudio.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mapserverstudio.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>> twitter: @geographika<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth
G wrote:<br>
</div>
<div>>> Hi all,<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> A wiki page sounds a good start.
Increased test coverage and OGC Maps<br>
</div>
<div>>> support would be two items I'd
like to propose.<br>
</div>
<div>>> We could also maybe use a GitHub
Discussions poll to allow users to<br>
</div>
<div>>> vote on some open issues to look
at fixing?<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> I think any unused funds for the
year remain with OSGeo and can't be<br>
</div>
<div>>> used for future years. Is it an
option to get a 2023 budget approved to<br>
</div>
<div>>> avoid losing these funds for this
year?<br>
</div>
<div>>> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in
Vienna next week, and 5 of the PSC<br>
</div>
<div>>> members will be there so we could
arrange a PSC meeting and sign things<br>
</div>
<div>>> off quite quickly.<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> Seth<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> --<br>
</div>
<div>>> web:<a
href="https://geographika.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://geographika.net</a>
& <a href="https://mapserverstudio.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mapserverstudio.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>>> twitter: @geographika<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM,
Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via MapServer-dev wrote:<br>
</div>
<div>>>> This is a good idea and
something that we haven't done in some time.<br>
</div>
<div>>>> There was a 2020 budget
outline<br>
</div>
<div>>>> (<a
href="https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget</a>)
that<br>
</div>
<div>>>> was put together as an ask
from the board. If I recall correctly, they<br>
</div>
<div>>>> basically only allocated the
normal per project amount to the project.<br>
</div>
<div>>>> That's funding we've not taken
explicit advantage of most years<br>
</div>
<div>>>> although I don't know what
happens to those $'s if they go unclaimed.<br>
</div>
<div>>>> There is also a donation
balance that could/should be tapped to fund<br>
</div>
<div>>>> activities.<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> --Steve<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
</div>
<div>>>> From: MapServer-dev <<a
href="mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mapserver-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
On Behalf<br>
</div>
<div>>>> Of Jeff McKenna via
MapServer-dev<br>
</div>
<div>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1,
2023 1:00 PM<br>
</div>
<div>>>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing
List' <<a
href="mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024
budget planning<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> Hi MapServer community (devs,
users, packagers, promoters, all),<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> I see other projects beginning
early discussions on planning for 2024<br>
</div>
<div>>>> budget spending. I would like
to start a wiki page for the 2024 budget<br>
</div>
<div>>>> for MapServer. I am planning
on including those items<br>
</div>
<div>>>>
never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users
such as releases,<br>
</div>
<div>>>> packaging, testing/CI
infrastructure maintenance, and documentation,
as<br>
</div>
<div>>>> well as source code
contributions (in other words, including the
full<br>
</div>
<div>>>> dev community of MapServer in
the budget).<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> I think 2024 is a good time to
create a realistic budget for MapServer,<br>
</div>
<div>>>> and then share that publicly
with the FOSS4G community. I think we'd<br>
</div>
<div>>>> be happily surprised that
organizations are willing to support the<br>
</div>
<div>>>> sustainability of MapServer.
Worst-case scenario is that we have a<br>
</div>
<div>>>> publicly available realistic
view of the cost of keeping MapServer<br>
</div>
<div>>>> reliable, secure, and fast,
that we can expand upon in future years.<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> Happy to read other thoughts
here, from everyone passionate about
MapServer.<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> thanks!<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> -jeff<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> --<br>
</div>
<div>>>> Jeff McKenna<br>
</div>
<div>>>> GatewayGeo: Developers of
MS4W, & offering MapServer Consulting/Dev<br>
</div>
<div>>>> co-founder of FOSS4G<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
</div>
<div>>>> MapServer-dev mailing list<br>
</div>
<div>>>> <a
href="mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
</div>
<div>>>> <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev</a><br>
</div>
<div>>
_______________________________________________<br>
</div>
<div>> MapServer-dev mailing list<br>
</div>
<div>> <a
href="mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
</div>
<div>> <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--<br>
</div>
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