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<P><FONT SIZE=2>MSE is not done yet. However ADSK ships code that works. We have 10 QA people that will make sure MSE will. We can't ship our software until it does.<BR>
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--- Original Message ---<BR>
From: "Paul Spencer (External)" <pspencer@dmsolutions.ca><BR>
Sent: Wed 11/30/2005 6:10 pm<BR>
To: "Gary Lang" <gary.lang@autodesk.com><BR>
Cc: "MAPSERVER-USERS@LISTS.UMN.EDU" <MAPSERVER-USERS@LISTS.UMN.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: [UMN_MAPSERVER-USERS] what is an enterprise class app? (was MapServer and Foundation naming)<BR>
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"Take a look!" but not in Safari :( (hopefully soon though?)<BR>
<BR>
I agree that it could be done with MapServer and I have been actively <BR>
involved in the design and development of tools that fit some of the <BR>
pieces here, plus applications that really do meet these criteria.<BR>
<BR>
The point is one of choice I think.<BR>
<BR>
MapServer does what it does extremely well, and it doesn't do <BR>
enterprise apps (as defined here) unless you add a bunch of stuff to <BR>
it. If you are very knowledgeable with MapServer, it would still <BR>
take some serious effort to build an enterprise app, but you would <BR>
know exactly how it was built and why it worked.<BR>
<BR>
MSE does what it does (but it has yet to prove that it does it well I <BR>
think), and you have this capability more or less out of the box but <BR>
at the cost of not getting to hand pick all the pieces and perhaps <BR>
having more of a black box solution ... but then any sufficiently <BR>
complex code written around MapServer would probably be mostly a <BR>
black box too (do I hear anyone say Chameleon?)<BR>
<BR>
Personally I will pick and choose the best solution for a given <BR>
problem. I am more than willing to give MSE a chance to prove itself <BR>
capable and to define the space that it is most capable in, but I <BR>
will never give up MapServer as a tried and true way of getting maps <BR>
to the web as quickly as possible.<BR>
<BR>
(Sorry Gary, I just don't believe that MSE will be faster than <BR>
MapServer in some cases ;))<BR>
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Cheers<BR>
<BR>
Paul<BR>
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On 30-Nov-05, at 5:55 PM, Gary Lang wrote:<BR>
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> " I personally would much rather use html/ajax for gui (I am not sure<BR>
> how Autodesk's MapGuide does GUI... if it does it in any way that is<BR>
> not web-compliant then I have little interest in it)."'<BR>
><BR>
> We have AJAX out of the box. No add-ons required. An app written <BR>
> for Tux<BR>
> will work the same way using AJAX or the ActiveX control. If someone<BR>
> writes an SVG driver, that would work too.<BR>
><BR>
> Take a look!<BR>
><BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: UMN MapServer Users List [<A HREF="mailto:MAPSERVER-">mailto:MAPSERVER-</A><BR>
> USERS@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On<BR>
> Behalf Of P Kishor<BR>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:40 PM<BR>
> To: MAPSERVER-USERS@LISTS.UMN.EDU<BR>
> Subject: [UMN_MAPSERVER-USERS] what is an enterprise class app? (was<BR>
> MapServer and Foundation naming)<BR>
><BR>
> Jason Birch wrote:<BR>
>> P Kishor Wrote:<BR>
>>> I still don't understand why no one is talking about MapServer +<BR>
>> PostGIS.<BR>
>>> That is about as enterprise as one's gonna get.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Is that a red herring? I don't like seafood, but I guess I'll <BR>
>> bite :)<BR>
><BR>
> no, it was a legit question, and I am thankful you have answered,<BR>
> because I do want this discussed. Because it can end up becoming a<BR>
> smoke-screen for bigger issues.<BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
>> That combination does not address a number of issues that are <BR>
>> commonly<BR>
><BR>
>> addressed by commercial solutions that are touted as "enterprise".<BR>
>> Authentication and authorization (feature or layer level, not<BR>
>> application level), geoprocessing, data update, SOA, and GUI<BR>
>> capabilities are a few that come to mind and rank am...</FONT>
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