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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bob,<br>
      I still believe that to successfully set up a DVD printing
      pipeline with one printer, which distributes OSGeo-Live DVDs
      around the world, we need someone to step up and volunteer to
      coordinate it.<br>
      Are you, or someone else volunteering to take on this role?<br>
      <br>
      The alternative (re my micro payment suggestion) is that someone
      from each conference takes the responsibility of organising to
      print DVD/USB/posters/fliers for their event, in line with
      whatever process we put in place, and the limit of OSGeo volunteer
      involvement is approving and then paying. I'm prepared to write up
      such a process, and review/approve/reject applications for funds,
      which I see as less effort.<br>
      <br>
      Note, we currently have a ($30?) processing fee for transactions.
      I think we can set up a paypal account which can make
      micro-payments for a few percent of a (few hundred dollar)
      transaction.<br>
      <br>
      On 19/06/2013 12:36 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<br>
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            style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
            MS";color:windowtext">As suggested by Cameron,
            re-posting this  discussion here (sorry if you are on the
            BAORD list as well :c)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
            MS";color:windowtext">I distilled this down somewhat to
            the pertinent info, but if you want, you can go look at the
            original thread on the BOARD list to see everything here:
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            MS";color:windowtext"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Micro-payments-td5052181.html">http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Micro-payments-td5052181.html</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
            MS";color:windowtext">This thread started out as a
            reply to a posting by Cameron that commented on the overhead
            related to expenses for making the Live DVD into real live
            DVD for handout at conferences and such.  I thought there
            might be some room to make the money go farther by
            consolidating the process somewhat and make it into a OSGeo
            driven one.  Read on for more info.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Bob, you have
            done some good research here.<br>
            Would you mind sharing on the marketing email list so the
            others with an opinion on this can contribute.<br>
            <br>
            On 15/06/13 06:36, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">This is the
              local outfit I’ve used in the past for the DVD printing:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.quickturnduplication.com/html/pricing.php">http://www.quickturnduplication.com/html/pricing.php</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">We’ve only done
              short runs of one hundred at a time, so no breaks
              available money wise, but larger orders have some room to
              move the numbers down.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">Our last run
              for 100 ended up at $140.  This included the color DVD and
              the printed insert.  We supplied the Jewel cases and did
              the packing.  It would be slightly more if they did
              everything, around $160</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">I thought their
              USB prices were a little high, with the loading part added
              on, but after making them ourselves for our GeoMoose
              classes, I can see that it does take some time.  There are
              also some problems with differences between hardware types
              that I did not know existed, which introduces some
              interesting extra work. 
            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">I just got a
              quote back from them for $1.50 per to load 8gb USB
              sticks.  They sell them for $8-$11 each(high??)in
              different styles., but sounded like they were ok with
              using ours if we bought our own in the door.  They also
              liked the idea of rewriting older versions for use as the
              new version when the ISO changes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">I had an
              additional thought here related to distribution channels. 
              We could add these as a product to our (SG) online store
              as an alternate method for distribution, we would need to
              add some sort of overhead multiplier, but it wouldn’t be
              much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
              ;color:windowtext","serif"">These guys were
              fine with doing a test run and checking the operation
              before the regular printing progressed, and they are local
              to our area.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    On 9/05/2013 11:05 AM, Bob Basques wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">All, <br>
                    <br>
                    I often wondered about why these weren't just all
                    run off at once and shipped out to the different
                    events as needed.  first come, first serve sort of
                    idea.  Easier to mange too, reserve some amount for
                    pressing, some amount for shipping, and that's it
                    for the funding cycle (unless more funding comes
                    along). <br>
                    <br>
                    When you are to factor in all this charge back
                    handling stuff it starts to get real expensive
                    overhead wise.  Even if you went the route of having
                    regional printings, I would bet it would still be
                    cheaper than sending the money out to each group and
                    having them press their own items. <br>
                    <br>
                    I could find a local entity here that might be in a
                    poistion to handle this type of thing. . .
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Anyway, just food for thought. <br>
                    <br>
                    bobb <br>
                    <br>
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                    Hi Cameron, <br>
                    <br>
                    I have to admit that you caught me off-guard, the
                    list is more impressive than I thought before
                    reviewing it.  :-)
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    I still find that having to deal with funding DVDs
                    for so many events can be an issue. It is not just
                    about processing micro-payments, you also need to
                    collect and archive proofs that the expense you are
                    reimbursing is legitimate (i.e. receipts) for
                    OSGeo's accounting. I have seen how complicated this
                    can be with just the Local chapter starter kits,
                    imagine doing this for ~100 DVD print runs all
                    around the world.
                    <br>
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