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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bob,<br>
I still believe that to successfully set up a DVD printing
pipeline with one printer, which distributes OSGeo-Live DVDs
around the world, we need someone to step up and volunteer to
coordinate it.<br>
Are you, or someone else volunteering to take on this role?<br>
<br>
The alternative (re my micro payment suggestion) is that someone
from each conference takes the responsibility of organising to
print DVD/USB/posters/fliers for their event, in line with
whatever process we put in place, and the limit of OSGeo volunteer
involvement is approving and then paying. I'm prepared to write up
such a process, and review/approve/reject applications for funds,
which I see as less effort.<br>
<br>
Note, we currently have a ($30?) processing fee for transactions.
I think we can set up a paypal account which can make
micro-payments for a few percent of a (few hundred dollar)
transaction.<br>
<br>
On 19/06/2013 12:36 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<br>
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re-posting this discussion here (sorry if you are on the
BAORD list as well :c)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
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the pertinent info, but if you want, you can go look at the
original thread on the BOARD list to see everything here:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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MS";color:windowtext">This thread started out as a
reply to a posting by Cameron that commented on the overhead
related to expenses for making the Live DVD into real live
DVD for handout at conferences and such. I thought there
might be some room to make the money go farther by
consolidating the process somewhat and make it into a OSGeo
driven one. Read on for more info.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Bob, you have
done some good research here.<br>
Would you mind sharing on the marketing email list so the
others with an opinion on this can contribute.<br>
<br>
On 15/06/13 06:36, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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local outfit I’ve used in the past for the DVD printing:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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short runs of one hundred at a time, so no breaks
available money wise, but larger orders have some room to
move the numbers down.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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for 100 ended up at $140. This included the color DVD and
the printed insert. We supplied the Jewel cases and did
the packing. It would be slightly more if they did
everything, around $160</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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USB prices were a little high, with the loading part added
on, but after making them ourselves for our GeoMoose
classes, I can see that it does take some time. There are
also some problems with differences between hardware types
that I did not know existed, which introduces some
interesting extra work.
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
;color:windowtext","serif"">I just got a
quote back from them for $1.50 per to load 8gb USB
sticks. They sell them for $8-$11 each(high??)in
different styles., but sounded like they were ok with
using ours if we bought our own in the door. They also
liked the idea of rewriting older versions for use as the
new version when the ISO changes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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additional thought here related to distribution channels.
We could add these as a product to our (SG) online store
as an alternate method for distribution, we would need to
add some sort of overhead multiplier, but it wouldn’t be
much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS
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fine with doing a test run and checking the operation
before the regular printing progressed, and they are local
to our area.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 9/05/2013 11:05 AM, Bob Basques wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
I often wondered about why these weren't just all
run off at once and shipped out to the different
events as needed. first come, first serve sort of
idea. Easier to mange too, reserve some amount for
pressing, some amount for shipping, and that's it
for the funding cycle (unless more funding comes
along). <br>
<br>
When you are to factor in all this charge back
handling stuff it starts to get real expensive
overhead wise. Even if you went the route of having
regional printings, I would bet it would still be
cheaper than sending the money out to each group and
having them press their own items. <br>
<br>
I could find a local entity here that might be in a
poistion to handle this type of thing. . .
<br>
<br>
Anyway, just food for thought. <br>
<br>
bobb <br>
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Hi Cameron, <br>
<br>
I have to admit that you caught me off-guard, the
list is more impressive than I thought before
reviewing it. :-)
<br>
<br>
I still find that having to deal with funding DVDs
for so many events can be an issue. It is not just
about processing micro-payments, you also need to
collect and archive proofs that the expense you are
reimbursing is legitimate (i.e. receipts) for
OSGeo's accounting. I have seen how complicated this
can be with just the Local chapter starter kits,
imagine doing this for ~100 DVD print runs all
around the world.
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