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    Nicolas, Marc,<br>
    You both have proposed some excellent ideas on what we should do
    within the marketing committee, and I think you are also offering to
    make it happen? Thank you.<br>
    <br>
    I suggest put your ideas into the existing marketing wiki, as linked
    from here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee</a><br>
    <br>
    I suggest not being scared to archive old content. Maybe initially
    move under an "Old Material" heading, with strikeout font, or move
    to an "archive" wiki page, and eventually remove all together. Some
    of this old content I've created, and I'll be delighted to see it
    ruthlessly refreshed and improved in the ways you've suggested.<br>
    <br>
    I expect that once you put draft ideas together with a commitment to
    move it forward, you will attract positive feedback, and likely
    attract more volunteers.<br>
    <br>
    I don't think it matters much whether you work under the banner of
    "marketing committee", "web committee" or "conference committee".
    The key element is that something gets done. We are volunteers, and
    we are effective as a "do-ocracy".<br>
    <br>
    So please feel empowered, and start putting your ideas into the
    wiki. Ask for feedback. It is always easier to discuss an idea after
    someone has writing a first draft. I'd love to see what you suggest.<br>
    <br>
    Warm regards, Cameron<br>
    <br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the clarity Marc, there is a very
        different focus between the two activities.
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        <div>My two-cents is what we need here - and what Cameron asked
          for at the start of the thread - is volunteers to put time on
          the table. OSGeo is a volunteer organization, please in pitch
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 17 March 2016 at 09:37, Marc
          VLOEMANS <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <pre> 
If this year's marketing communication and budget is reflecting last 
year's, then that's of course a discretionary Board decision.
To combine WebCom and MarkCom can in that case be a practical solution, for now...
 
However, to combine them more permanently would downgrade the 'Art of Marketing' 
to just 'Promotion'. And would not emply the total toolbox at our disposal to grow usage of 
FOSS for GIS. Marketing can be so much more...
 
In order to really benefit from all marketing has to offer, we need to have established at a minimum level:
- what are our offerings/products/services and their added end value?
- what is (are) our target segment audience(s), direct and indirect for the above?
- how do we create interest for it/these (the promotional aspect) per target group?
- how/via which appropriate channels do we distribute that offering-product-service (incl OSGeo-Live)
- which community members/orgs/externals/partners/suppliers are to be involved
- what are available timelines, resources and deliverables?
And these questions-answers are to be addressed interdependently in a single coherent approach.
 
If such approach is considered too far fetched...then just have a single Com 
for the future, focusing on promotional aspects and media; 'PromCom'.
 
Not my preferred choice, though ;-)
 
 
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2016-03-17 12:45 GMT+01:00
                    Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      all,<br>
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                      The website is a tool, just as OSGeo-Live is a
                      tool.<br>
                      The 2 committees (WebCom and MarkCom) are closely
                      related.<br>
                      <br>
                      In  my opinion MarkCom set the goals and probably
                      defines what tools are needed to reach these
                      goals.<br>
                      WebCom makes sure  one of these tools is up and
                      running.<br>
                      That requires different skill, which makes it a
                      valid choice to keep the 2 committees separated.<br>
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                      Regards,<br>
                      <br>
                      Gert-Jan<br>
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                            On 3/16/2016 3:00 PM, Massimiliano Cannata
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                              I think that nicolas ideas are fully
                              right. Website is one of the<br>
                              best<br>
                              marketing tool.<br>
                              Maybe making one committee from two
                              dormient make one awake... could<br>
                              we<br>
                              consider to join webcom and marketing in a
                              new one?<br>
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                            I also think that merging web and marketing
                            committees would make a<br>
                            lot<br>
                            of sense.<br>
                            <br>
                            Best<br>
                            <br>
                            Venka<br>
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                              Il 15/Mar/2016 21:39, "Jody Garnett" <<a
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                              ha<br>
                              scritto:<br>
                              <br>
                              Thanks Cameron & Nick, could you start
                              outlining a "reboot" on the<br>
                              wiki<br>
                              and grab an agenda item for next months
                              board meeting? We also have<br>
                              a<br>
                              hangout/workparty for board members (and
                              officers?) in case you want<br>
                              some<br>
                              companionship shaping the wiki page.<br>
                              <br>
                              --<br>
                              Jody Garnett<br>
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                              On 15 March 2016 at 04:38, nicolas bozon
                              <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                target="_blank">nicolas.bozon@gmail.com</a>><br>
                              wrote:<br>
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                              Dear Cameron, Marketing Committee, OSGeo
                              Directors,<br>
                              <br>
                              As a member of the so called "dormant"
                              Marketing Committee, i would<br>
                              be<br>
                              glad to help revitalising it.<br>
                              <br>
                              In fact it hasn't been a satisfactory nor
                              confortable situation to<br>
                              be a<br>
                              member of such a forgotten commitee since
                              2012.<br>
                              So i'd like to volunteer for championing
                              such committee reboot, and<br>
                              propose to help define strategic changes,
                              recruit new members and<br>
                              tackle<br>
                              some of the administrative tasks.<br>
                              I can also chair the Committee if needed,
                              and if this is<br>
                              appropriated for<br>
                              gathering the troops. Cameron, I am not
                              Santa (but 'Klaus' only:)),<br>
                              but I'd<br>
                              be very glad to learn from your experience
                              and we may try to enhance<br>
                              things<br>
                              together.<br>
                              <br>
                              However,i think the commitee's mission and
                              role should be revised,<br>
                              probably indepth modified, and aligned
                              with the new OSGeo plans.<br>
                              My main point is that the mandate of the
                              OSGeo Marketing Committee<br>
                              must<br>
                              go way beyond the funding of OSGeo events
                              and the managment of<br>
                              consumables<br>
                              or swag, as it mostly did (or not) until
                              now.<br>
                              OSGeo Live is one of our best marketing
                              tool to showcase some of the<br>
                              Foundation's software projects, but not to
                              promote and market the<br>
                              Foundation itself IMHO.<br>
                              OSGeo Live must of course be kept inside a
                              new marketing plan, but<br>
                              the<br>
                              latter shouldn't be built on DVDs and
                              events only.<br>
                              <br>
                              According to me, improving OSGeo Marketing
                              globally is one of the<br>
                              most<br>
                              important and urgent action to be taken
                              according to the new<br>
                              strategic plan<br>
                              defined by the Board.<br>
                              It must help OSGeo to be presented as more
                              matured, more inclusive,<br>
                              more<br>
                              professional, and fully considered by the
                              broader geospatial<br>
                              community.<br>
                              <br>
                              I believe such reborn Marketing Committee
                              should work closely along<br>
                              with<br>
                              the Board of Directors, the Website
                              Committee and a few motivated<br>
                              contributors, in order to:<br>
                              <br>
                              - Define a consitent OSGeo identity from
                              existing material<br>
                              (including<br>
                              revised graphic guidelines, new shapes and
                              colors aligned with<br>
                              identified<br>
                              needs and recent web trends, new scalable
                              vector graphics, web fonts<br>
                              ...)<br>
                              - Refine the OSGeo web identity (including
                              main site redesign<br>
                              through the<br>
                              developement a new drupal theme,
                              responsive webdesign, efficient and<br>
                              reusable visuals...)<br>
                              - Enhance OSGeo web content and presence
                              (including blog, journal,<br>
                              newsletter and bring more activity on
                              various social networks)<br>
                              - Market the OSGeo brand online and at all
                              kind of events (including<br>
                              consumables management, viral marketing,
                              direct marketing...)<br>
                              <br>
                              Such actions could be prioritized and
                              voted by the Committee's<br>
                              members,<br>
                              coordinated by the commitee's chair
                              according to the Committee<br>
                              members, and<br>
                              aligned with the allocated budget and
                              volunteered time.<br>
                              <br>
                              I sincerly hope we can reboot and improve
                              our Marketing Committee<br>
                              together, in order to grow and market our
                              Foundation better.<br>
                              Let us talk, decide and act now ! Enough
                              rest for MarkCom' !<br>
                              <br>
                              Best regards,<br>
                              <br>
                              Nick<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/03/2016 10:22 pm, Marc Vloemans
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      <div>Before handing out money to undoubtedly worthy causes...a
        marketing (which is more than just the promotional 'P' ) plan
        would be the usual starting point. Agreed upon by the Board and
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      <div>So. Why is what is given to whom, when and to what amount?
        Effectively; what precedes a marketing committee.</div>
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      <div>Unless, a plan/framework is in place, Santa Claus/Easter
        Bunny/Tooth Fairy/etc. can expect to receive a lot of flak.
        Groups and initiatives have no clue as to what (governable)
        rules to comply with. Besides all sorts of unwanted chaos and
        misunderstandings can be expected.</div>
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      <div>By the way, does one also not start to code without some sort
        of initial and agreed plan?</div>
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      <div>Any volunteers besides me to have a stab at it?</div>
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        <div>Vriendelijke groet,
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                              2016-03-15 8:42 GMT+01:00 Cameron Shorter<br>
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                              <br>
                              OSGeo needs help distributing money to
                              worthy causes. We need an<br>
                              OSGeo<br>
                              Santa Clause.<br>
                              <br>
                              The current state of play is:<br>
                              * The OSGeo Board has allocated budget for
                              an OSGeo marketing<br>
                              committee<br>
                              to distribute.<br>
                              <br>
                              * But, our OSGeo Marketing committee has
                              imploded. (I was the last<br>
                              chair, a few years back). It seems no one
                              is interested in the<br>
                              administrative tasks of giving away money,
                              doing the administrative<br>
                              work of<br>
                              writing cheques, being accountable,
                              deciding which requests get<br>
                              funded<br>
                              verses which don't based on a set of
                              guidelines.<br>
                              <br>
                              My take is that handing out money to
                              worthy marketing causes can't<br>
                              be<br>
                              too important, as it is not bugging anyone
                              enough to want to step up<br>
                              and<br>
                              volunteer to fix it. But I'd be delighted
                              to proven wrong, and see<br>
                              some<br>
                              people volunteer to step up to revitalise
                              the OSGeo marketing<br>
                              committee. If<br>
                              you are possibly interested, please speak
                              up. I'd be happy to help<br>
                              you get<br>
                              started.<br>
                              <br>
                              A first task would be to consider this
                              request from Bob.<br>
                              <br>
                              Warm regards, Cameron<br>
                              <br>
                              On 9/03/2016 6:29 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
                              <br>
                              Sounds like an amazing event, marketing
                              committee should have a<br>
                              budget<br>
                              to work against shortly (it is an agenda
                              topic for this week and you<br>
                              can<br>
                              see the budget<br>
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                              on the wiki ).<br>
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                              Cameron is involved with both marketing
                              committee and OSGeo live and<br>
                              should be able to assist.<br>
                              <br>
                              --<br>
                              Jody Garnett<br>
                              <br>
                              On 8 March 2016 at 08:59, Bob Basques <<a
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                              wrote:<br>
                              <br>
                              All,<br>
                              <br>
                              I haven’t heard anything back on the
                              following request from anyone<br>
                              (other than Jody commenting about where
                              this should be sent . . .).<br>
                              <br>
                              So trying again . . .<br>
                              <br>
                              --------------------<br>
                              <br>
                              All,<br>
                              <br>
                              First, let me know if this is the wrong
                              list to request from.<br>
                              <br>
                              We’re holding a regional Geo conference
                              and would like to include<br>
                              a<br>
                              OSGeo-Live thumb drive in each attendees
                              goody bag.  So, please<br>
                              consider<br>
                              this an official request for funding of
                              OSGeo Live Thumb Drives for<br>
                              the<br>
                              event.<br>
                              <br>
                              This is a multi- discipline, multi-state
                              event for all things Geo.<br>
                              60<br>
                              confirmed presenters.  This will be a
                              highly knowledgable audience<br>
                              and<br>
                              because of the varied subject matter it
                              will be an excellent venue<br>
                              to get<br>
                              the word out to new folks about OSGeo and
                              it’s mission, via the<br>
                              OSGeo Live<br>
                              project.  More info about the event can be
                              seen here:<br>
                              <br>
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                              We’ve planned for 350 attendees.  We can
                              make our own thumb<br>
                              drives,<br>
                              and/or pay to have them made ourselves. 
                              We’ve handed these out in<br>
                              the past<br>
                              and will also include a getting started
                              cheat sheet for each user to<br>
                              get<br>
                              them going with the least amount of
                              effort.<br>
                              <br>
                              I haven’t checked lately for the going
                              rate on these.  Local<br>
                              suppliers<br>
                              are advertising ~$5 each for an 8GB USB3.0
                              blank drive.<br>
                              <br>
                              Request is for $2000 ($1750 for Drives,
                              $250 for copying the OSGeo<br>
                              Live<br>
                              suite to each).<br>
                              <br>
                              Related, my submission of the OSGeo Live
                              presentation has been<br>
                              accepted<br>
                              at the event, and there will also be a
                              (free) GeoMOOSE workshop.<br>
                              <br>
                              bobb<br>
                              <br>
                              --<br>
                              Bob Basques<br>
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                              LISAsoft<br>
                              Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>
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LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
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