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<div class="">I hardly ever ready all the specification of something I’m comparing with other stuff, at least until just before I start to use it. The general Idea was trying to convey was to present a similar expereince for all OSGeo Projects to the users,
so if they need the info it’s there and they know where to look for it quickly, as well as compare them side by side.</div>
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<div class="">I thought I left top level topics general enough so more sub-topics could be included in the listing by everyone else. I didn’t even have a preference on the ordering, but while there may not be many techies trying stuff out the first time,
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I think we can provide a user focused experience ... and let projects compete for the user-base that currently resides with ESRI. At this point in the market balance any move towards open source is a good direction. OSGeo can provide
a platform for projects to communicate, and we can even provide resources to help them reach new users - it will still be up to each project to produce a compelling product.
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<div class="">It seems comments on the document are settling down, I reworded the projects / community projects / incubation section and could use some feedback.<br class="">
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<p class=""><bringing this conversation back on list></p>
<p class="">RFI here: <a class="m_-8141349679994441098moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UJPiiVSV5U2CBaVFFjiHQ4qn1Vf5DOgEb83IFCxVQkw/edit#" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/<wbr class="">document/d/<wbr class="">1UJPiiVSV5U2CBaVFFjiHQ4qn1Vf5D<wbr class="">OgEb83IFCxVQkw/edit#</a></p>
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<p class="">I agree with the goal of making OSGeo easy to navigate by guiding users to the best project.
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<p class="">The political challenge of this is one OSGeo project gets preferential access to users and sponsors. Do we recommend GeoServer or MapServer? QGis or gvSIG? Each is competing for the same user-base.<br class="">
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<p class="">As Jody has mentioned, we've pushed to get a 5 star rating in place to rank project maturity and help find projects. (This was shot down, particularly by projects with low ranking).</p>
<p class="">We have been able to reference OpenHub metrics, which provides some guidance, but is still far from perfect. It should be at
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<div dir="ltr" class="">The trick is to do this feedback while not discouraging the volunteers on OSGeo live. Reading the above discussion it seems to be the difference between a warehouse and a store.
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It is easier to do a warehouse as there is no value judgement on the items stocked. Cameron has tried several times to guide OSGeo live towards the store experience (with ratings and metrics and asking for docs and guidance) - each time he moves the dial -
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Also, after reading your most recent comments, I want to raise one<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
overarching point. The way you describe things of just providing big<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
lists and linking people off to completely foreign sites and<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
experiences is horrible user experience and its the exact reason why<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
OSGeo is simply incomprehensible to the vast majority of our potential<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
users. Again, I say this after trying to explain OSGeo and its<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
initiatives to audiences all over the world. We can and should strive<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
to have a *consistent* set of content that guides users to the project<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
that is appropriate for them holding their hand as much of the way<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
there as we can. Just dumping them onto some random trac or wiki page<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
may work for some, but it confuses the hell out of everyone else. See<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
qgis.og downloads page and remember how it used to be before to<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
understand what I mean.<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Johnson <<a class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg" href="mailto:ortelius@gmail.com" target="_blank">ortelius@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Cameron Shorter<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> <<a class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
>> Hi Jeff,<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> No problem. I'm done reviewing.<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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> Thanks<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> Key message from me is:<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> * Keep it simple and maintainable.<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> * Try to avoid duplicating content. In particular, we should align<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
>> OSGeo-Live content with website content, as OSGeo-Live is already achieving<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
>> some of the key goals of the website.<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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> I really strongly disagree that OSGeo-Live is achieving much of<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> anything. I've seen group after group of people completely confused as<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> to what to do when OSGeo is booted up and have no idea which software<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> to use for what or why there are so many softwares that all seem to do<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> the same thing. Its incredibly confusing to them (as is OSGeo in<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> general). We tend to keep thinking of things as developers when we<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> really do need to take a much more user (and particularly users who<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> have the authority to decide what software their organization uses)<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> focused approach. In any case, I _do_ agree that we should align<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> OSGeo-Live and the website to the point of including alot of the<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> website on the ISO, but this big index page<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> <a class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg" href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://live.osgeo.org/en/over<wbr class="">view/overview.html</a> isnt really doing the<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> job at all IMO. See my comments in the doc about using somekind of<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> structured info about the projects that can be reused in many places<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> (including the info sheets).<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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> Thanks again for providing feedback. I hope others take as much care<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> to make sure that we have a good basis for having a successful<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
> project.<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> On 8/01/2017 6:42 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>>> Glad someone is really reading this besides me and Jody :)<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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>> --<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
>> Cameron Shorter<br class="m_-8141349679994441098m_-2727541220967064739gmail_msg">
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