<div dir="ltr">Vicky<div><br></div><div>Brian and Cameron are correct to point out duplication. Indeed cameron pointed out duplication when information sheets were being produced (sorry cameron I under estimated the enthusiastic response, we had planned to only print two information sheets!).</div><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey Johnson (and Cameron?) have talked about writing down this kind of information once and then generate the page for the osgeo website and for osgeo live. That is a long term goal (as the osgeo live release schedule and the website release schedule did not leave much room for close collaboration in these summer months).</div><div><br></div><div>The OSGeo website plans to list much more than just osgeo projects - since the goal is to "empower everyone with open source geospatial" :) Just like osgeo live, the foundation (and thus the website) has a mandate to promote.</div><div><br></div><div>You can see one example here: <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/geo-node/">http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/geo-node/</a></div><div><br></div><div>There is also a choose-a-project page taking shape that helps guide visitors to open source software that meets there needs (irregardless of where it was created from). This is important in areas like cloud processing where OSGeo projects are not playing yet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 August 2017 at 15:44, Vicky Vergara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi all:<br>Not complaining, but just some thoughts about this:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class=""><br>> with the new OSGeo web site development.. somehow I realized that the <br>
docs from OSGeo-Live should be the same docs in the new OSGeo web site.<br><br></span>By "docs" you mean the current "overview documentation" or both overview and quickstart documentation?<br>I will suppose both for this points:<br>- I must remind that a lot of projects in "OSGeo Live" are not OSGeo-projects or OSGeo-community related.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - I don't think OSGeo would have overview and quickstart documentation of projects not OSGeo related<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - what about those not on OSGeo<br>- What will happen to projects where the documentation and or wiki is stored actually outside of OSGeo website see:<br><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<wbr>InfrastructurePreferencesStatu<wbr>sQuo</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- The task would probably need a script that capture information from
the OSGeo official site to put on the OSGeo Live documentation.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- Who will be in charge of making sure that the documentation in OSGeo matches/has what OSGeo Live needs on. (aka, all the complains we do about "not following the standards for the overview page or the quick start page)<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- we also do translations, what about those?, how would be the official site for translating, do the script also captures translated pages from OSGeo site? what if they dont have them yet?.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- If sphinx(or any other documentation generator) is still used for OSGeo Live documentation, a script (after capturing) might be needed to convert the OSGeo Page to sphinx(or any other documentation generator) structure?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - who will make such a script?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - who will verify the conversion is correct?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - who will contact projects to change the OSGeo Page that has problems, so that they fix it?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- The docs on OSGeo live have version related information.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> - After releasing OSGeo disk, the projects might change make new releases, so are updates based on changes on the OSGeo pages going to be reflected automatically to generate a new micro release of the disk because the project documentation changed on the OSGeo website?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">regards<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Brian,<br>
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You have eloquently presented the current state of OSGeo-Live and the foundations for future opportunities and growth.<br>
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I particularly agree with your caution about creating multiple documentation baselines for OSGeo, (it creates a maintenance challenge) and the recommendation of retasking the same material in multiple contexts.<br>
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On 5/8/17 9:34 am, Brian M Hamlin wrote:<br>
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HI Jody, All -<br>
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In the past with OSGeo-Live, I have described the Mission Statement in three parts:<br>
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Reference Install ; Showcase for Projects ; well-chosen (curated) examples<br>
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WIth the release of Live 11 and the massive advance in Debian packaging, I believe the future is not one project. This can be seen as "evolution" .. it is natural for a large and mature project to split ..<br>
Website ; Server Edition ; Desktop Linux<br>
-<br>
with the new OSGeo web site development.. somehow I realized that the<br>
docs from OSGeo-Live should be the same docs in the new OSGeo web site. Rebuilding docs is too much work, and too many parts, to duplicate. Instead,<br>
build once and deploy in several contexts. -<br>
credit to Angelos Tzotsos and Debian Developer Sebastian Couwenburg<br>
The "server edition" of OSGeo-Live is simply UbuntuGIS PPA,<br>
with DebianGIS aka pkg-grass as the "upstream" in many cases.. -<br>
that leaves "desktop Linux" Ubuntu.. what remains of the OSGeo-Live. Critically speaking, it has been twenty years (or more) that I have been active,<br>
of promises of "desktop Linux" .. in fact, Windows and phones have spread,<br>
with some percentage of Mac OSX from Apple in various demographic groups. Web browsing is constant, phone use is constant and climbing, and .. no desktop<br>
revolution with Linux of any kind. OSGeo-Live right now, is basically desktop Linux. -<br>
Another note on Ubuntu.. as people likely know, the number one cloud VM instance<br>
is Ubuntu.. and last I heard, Google uses an Ubuntu fork for much within its cloud walls. The "server edition" of OSGeo-Live is.. Ubuntu packaging.. this bodes well.. -<br>
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I am interested in participating in a BOF, but from my point of view, I think we should<br>
consider the OSGeo-Live 11 as somewhat an "end of an era" .. and move forward<br>
with eyes open to new, productive avenues for valuable efforts.<br>
best regards from Berkeley, California<br>
-Brian M Hamlin<br>
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:41:07 -0700, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Is anyone up for an OSGeo Live BOF:<br>
Also I finally uploaded photos with the OSGeo-Live team from foss4ge:<br>
(example|example|group). Could I ask the team to select one of these for a group photo for the new website?<br>
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Had a productive meeting with the graphics designer about subbrands on wednesday - and had a good ideas for us to try out: rather than reuse the circle, reuse the small compass shape. Tried putting the compass shape in a computer logo and the result looked like what OSGeo-Live is. Also did one putting the heart in a computer frame as a reference.<br>
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