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<p>On 2/26/24 07:24, Scott McHale via Marketing wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>hello all - my comments inline .. this is a community org, I am
discovering not prescribing here..<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m not a marketing
professional or website developer (or a GIS person, oddly)
so I am definitely open to thoughts, corrections, and
suggestions from everyone on my ideas and approach on the
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<p>humility can go a long ways in the long run.. great to see this
new effort at #osgeo ScottMH<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My initial interest in
this change was specifically related to the process for
gaining an OSGeo UserId and how best to communicate both the
instructions and the value to potential new community
members from varying backgrounds. Initial mailing list
discussion seems to suggest there’s openness to addressing
those specific issues but also review whether there are
changes to the website, generally, which would also be of
value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I am a fixture with the #osgeo-sac group, as the "loyal
opposition" not a key-signer. I have participated in bringing up
services online at #osgeo-sac that make use of the LDAP
OSGeo-ID. The original founding group is aging out and/or
dissipated. There are two dozen people on the SAC page and almost
none of them actually make changes since the covid-19 time. <br>
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<p>A side-effect of the SAC services situation is - be careful what
is promised to others. There is a modest amount of skilled admin
time available, and some of these changes to inner services that
rely on OSGeo LDAP ID are security-sensitive for real reasons.</p>
<p>In early days I enthusiastically visited coder meetings,
university public events and hack-a-thons and promoted both #osgeo
itself, and later the #osgeolive linux distribution. At the same
time, mobile apps became massive, and funding through the FAANG
companies exploded. A net effect is that my own out reach efforts
had very modest success. As with any public outreach, the effort
also attracted people with social skills deficit or other personal
challenges. Thats OK! but not really strengthening the dot-org.
I eventually wrote an email that promoted the #osgeolive linux as
inclusive include "neuro-diverse" communities.. that email was met
with silence, well-intentioned as it was.</p>
<p>Summary of this -- the OSGeo LDAP ID is used right now to access
online services provided by OSGeo-SAC and not much else. That LDAP
system is used for security-sensitive things as well as a general
ID. Uniquely identifying people on the vast globe, and building
some sense of trust while actually in-real-life getting hack
attempts, is not trivial. <br>
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<p>I believe #osgeo has to build on the local chapter concepts, to
develop a trust (and revoke) mechanism over time, that can respond
and grow in these times. I believe there is a role for anonymity
on the net for political reasons, however #osgeo is not setup to
deal with this alone. There are many senior people in #osgeo who
only use a logged and authenticated communication channel today.
The new laws in the EU regarding chain of responsibility and
public, govt ID for coding are going to make these lines even
bolder in the near future.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US">My Intended Approach:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I will, on my end, take
a lightweight Business Analysis project approach recognizing
this is a volunteer organization and will try to make the
effort as frictionless as possible for other contributors
where I can. Obviously, if we end up taking on a significant
effort as part of an agreed solution, more formality will
make sense. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">I’ll need help to better understand the
context<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">What we measure as an organization and what
we consider success.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span><span lang="EN-US">Product
installations, project contributions/contributors,
membership, fundraising, other?</span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Specifically related to the webpages:
page visits, sign-ons, other?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">What internal and external stakeholders we
need/intend to address.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Assuming existing and prospective
sponsors, members, contributors, and users (in
addition to this committee and the board)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Any specific business/org types (gov,
academia, specific industries)?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">What we’re currently capable of as an
organization in terms of implementing changes<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Constraints arising from org structure,
technology choices, budget, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">The market(s) we currently serve and
whether there are specific areas of focus or challenge
within those?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">I’m guessing there is a lot of this
information floating around in our current
organization and membership, but I’m also open to
reaching out more broadly. I’ll need help
understanding:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Personas of our various stakeholders<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">Best avenues for outreach<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p>* measures of success. The FOSS4G event system was the only
revenue generating activity and a few years ago, open fighting
occurred for control of that brand and approval process. I do not
know all the details but I believe that has been partly patched up
now. The current elected Board members are the ones to drive
priority at this time, ultimately, but hours are short and there
is much to do.</p>
<p>I personally am working with coding teams, groups of people who
write software, partly including power users, OSM power users, and
champions of Wikipedia and other very public data sources. These
are not the only people to measure success! but when I comment, I
am mostly thinking of those people. Second I think that the
individual person is the basic unit of intelligence, not
collective legal forms.<br>
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<p>* <span lang="EN-US">Product installations, project
contributions/contributors, membership, fundraising, other? The
product I have long-term connection with is the #osgeolive linux
setup. I care about it a lot, and it has been very successful
for #osgeo. Two other people who also care a lot about that
project are currently Board members. The disk is not ready to
be used in production. It takes intermediate skill to install
and customize it (I do that). I know all the contents, the
teams that produce the contents, and the way it works, very very
well. <br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Our #osgeolive success is measured in several
ways, and would need its own white paper to explain well from my
point of view. I will refrain from random comments on the main
website - Jody Garnett has been a champion at all stages for the
website and I trust Jody very much for his insights there.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">* </span><span lang="EN-US"><span
lang="EN-US">What internal and external stakeholders we
need/intend to address? for me, the other main open knowledge
orgs are my guiding stars, the formal standards groups like
OGC are the law-and-order, and massive FAANG-MSFT American
corporations are the Monarchy of the network that I use every
day. I am an environmentalist and my personal priority is
climate and the natural world.</span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US">* </span></span><span
lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US">What we’re
currently capable of as an organization in terms of
implementing changes -- as mentioned above, be cautious
with the LDAP identity assignment itself. Make opportunities
to collaborate, but be careful with the technical
implementation, which is subject to real-world attacks (it
already happened more than once).</span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US">* </span></span></span><span
lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span
lang="EN-US">The market(s) we currently serve -- I joined
#osgeo to be with coders and the projects they release.
This is not the only stakeholder group, now including the
Board level at OSGeo. Note that for me, there are several
disparate coding communities that really do not interact
much with each other, yet the content is related. Java is
a first-class citizen on #osgeolive for example. We did
not connect with the Leaflet crowd, and after some deals,
they actively dislike #osgeo in my experience. Lots of
other smaller examples.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span lang="EN-US"><span
lang="EN-US">* best avenues for outreach -- in real life?
on the network? mass media? social media? all very
different. In some ways there is no best, especially for
resource constrained volunteer org. It is a "do-ocracy"
so, someone making progress with any of that, is welcome
IMHO.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Having these questions –
and others you might suggest – answered will help me put
together a plan to dig in more deeply on stakeholder needs
and then draft a current state analysis speaking to what
we’re trying to do and where stakeholders feel requirements
are being met, or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">From there, we can agree
a means for getting a few solutions – likely of varying size
and scope – to refine and prioritize. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please always feel free
to give me your very honest opinions on whether my
recommendations here are too much, too little, or just plain
wrong. I’d rather re-think the whole thing now than get
started on an effort that the team doesn’t think can create
real value for us going forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>* <span lang="EN-US">honest opinions on whether my
recommendations here are too much, too little, or just plain
wrong -- humility will go along way, thank you for this intro
ScottMH. Unfortunately, the 'honest' people are not the entire
crowd on this Earth, and that includes greater osgeo dot org.
They say the most severe tenure fights are in the English
department, where the rewards are few and the alternative is
barely survival. SO it is in the fringe of geospatial. You
will find horrible conflicts between well-meaning people, and
complacency among the most privelaged. Dont be shocked, the work
must continue. Did I mention Climate? :-/</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> all for now in Berkeley -Brian M Hamlin
/ MAPLABS / OSGeoLive PSC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All thoughts
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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