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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:26:10 +0000<br>
From: Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [MetaCRS] Datum Transformation Issues<br>
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Hi -<br>
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I am using the Proj4js library and am having trouble successfully<br>
transforming coordindates from ITRF 2008 (EPSG:5332) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
(EPSG:6317).<br>
<br>
I have bee successful in entering coordinates into the following tool and<br>
generating results for going from WGS83 (EPSG4326) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
(EPSG:6317), however, there is no transformation applied.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://mygeodata.cloud/cs2cs/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://mygeodata.cloud/cs2cs/</a><br>
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Is it possible to provide me with the transformation strings needed to<br>
accomplish this transformation?<br>
<br>
Any guidance would be much appreciated.<br>
<br>
Nick Fordes<br>
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LocusView Solutions<br>
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:02:48 -0700<br>
From: Richard Greenwood <<a href="mailto:richard.greenwood@gmail.com">richard.greenwood@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [MetaCRS] Datum Transformation Issues<br>
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Hi -<br>
><br>
> I am using the Proj4js library and am having trouble successfully<br>
> transforming coordindates from ITRF 2008 (EPSG:5332) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
> (EPSG:6317).<br>
><br>
<br>
Are you getting an error or incorrect results? The espg definitions for<br>
5332 and 6317 are the same (see below) but that's not to say they are<br>
correct.<br>
<br>
# ITRF2008 <5332> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
# NAD83(2011) <6317> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
<br>
<br>
> I have bee successful in entering coordinates into the following tool and<br>
> generating results for going from WGS83 (EPSG4326) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
> (EPSG:6317), however, there is no transformation applied.<br>
><br>
<br>
"NAD" datums are tied to the North American continental plate, "WGS" datums<br>
are tied to the center of the earth. To get meter or sub-meter accuracy<br>
transformations you need to use a grid shift transform. Is that what you're<br>
looking for when you say that no transformation is applied?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Richard W. Greenwood, PLS<br>
<a href="http://www.greenwoodmap.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.greenwoodmap.com</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:21:37 +0000<br>
From: Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
To: Richard Greenwood <<a href="mailto:richard.greenwood@gmail.com">richard.greenwood@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Yes -<br>
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I am hoping to achieve a sub-meter transformation between the two datums.<br>
Also - we would ideally like to go from ITRF 2008 to Is Proj4js an<br>
appropriate tool to do this? Can it handle a grid shift transform?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:02 PM Richard Greenwood <<br>
<a href="mailto:richard.greenwood@gmail.com">richard.greenwood@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi -<br>
><br>
> I am using the Proj4js library and am having trouble successfully<br>
> transforming coordindates from ITRF 2008 (EPSG:5332) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
> (EPSG:6317).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Are you getting an error or incorrect results? The espg definitions for<br>
> 5332 and 6317 are the same (see below) but that's not to say they are<br>
> correct.<br>
><br>
> # ITRF2008 <5332> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
> # NAD83(2011) <6317> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
><br>
><br>
> I have bee successful in entering coordinates into the following tool and<br>
> generating results for going from WGS83 (EPSG4326) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
> (EPSG:6317), however, there is no transformation applied.<br>
><br>
><br>
> "NAD" datums are tied to the North American continental plate, "WGS"<br>
> datums are tied to the center of the earth. To get meter or sub-meter<br>
> accuracy transformations you need to use a grid shift transform. Is that<br>
> what you're looking for when you say that no transformation is applied?<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Richard W. Greenwood, PLS<br>
> <a href="http://www.greenwoodmap.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.greenwoodmap.com</a><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:35:12 -0700<br>
From: Richard Greenwood <<a href="mailto:richard.greenwood@gmail.com">richard.greenwood@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [MetaCRS] Datum Transformation Issues<br>
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Yes -<br>
><br>
> I am hoping to achieve a sub-meter transformation between the two datums.<br>
> Also - we would ideally like to go from ITRF 2008 to Is Proj4js an<br>
> appropriate tool to do this? Can it handle a grid shift transform?<br>
><br>
<br>
proj4js does not support grid shift transformations. Proj4 does but the<br>
epsg codes don't always reference the grid shift files. The Proj4 North<br>
American grid shift files that I'm aware of are tied to State Plane<br>
coordinate systems. I'm not aware of a grid shift file(s) covering the<br>
whole continent, which is what it looks like you're wanting?<br>
<br>
Rich<br>
<br>
<br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:02 PM Richard Greenwood <<br>
> <a href="mailto:richard.greenwood@gmail.com">richard.greenwood@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Nick Fordes <<a href="mailto:nick.fordes@locusview.com">nick.fordes@locusview.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi -<br>
>><br>
>> I am using the Proj4js library and am having trouble successfully<br>
>> transforming coordindates from ITRF 2008 (EPSG:5332) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
>> (EPSG:6317).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Are you getting an error or incorrect results? The espg definitions for<br>
>> 5332 and 6317 are the same (see below) but that's not to say they are<br>
>> correct.<br>
>><br>
>> # ITRF2008 <5332> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
>> # NAD83(2011) <6317> +proj=geocent +ellps=GRS80 +units=m +no_defs <><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have bee successful in entering coordinates into the following tool and<br>
>> generating results for going from WGS83 (EPSG4326) to NAD83 (2011)<br>
>> (EPSG:6317), however, there is no transformation applied.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> "NAD" datums are tied to the North American continental plate, "WGS"<br>
>> datums are tied to the center of the earth. To get meter or sub-meter<br>
>> accuracy transformations you need to use a grid shift transform. Is that<br>
>> what you're looking for when you say that no transformation is applied?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Richard W. Greenwood, PLS<br>
>> <a href="http://www.greenwoodmap.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.greenwoodmap.com</a><br>
>><br>
<br>
--<br>
Richard W. Greenwood, PLS<br>
<a href="http://www.greenwoodmap.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.greenwoodmap.com</a><br>
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</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Nick, </div><div><br></div><div>There are no available grid files to convert between ITRF2008 and NAD83 (2011). There is a time-enabled transformation available from the NGS on this page: <a href="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/coords.shtml">https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/coords.shtml</a></div><div><br></div><div>The time parts would allow you to convert at a particular epoch, but proj4js (nor proj4 as far as I know) doesn't support the time-parameters. </div><div><br></div><div>You can use the base 7 parameters which would take care of the majority of the difference between the two frames. The website says IGS08 rather than ITRF2008, but you can treat them as equivalent. </div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">IGS08 --> NAD 83 (2011)<br></font> [12 common points]<br> t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub> = 1997.0 <br><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/tz.gif"><sub><font size="2">x</font></sub>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = 0.99343 m; </div><div><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/tz.gif"><sub><font size="2">y</font></sub>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = -1.90331m; </div><div><font size="2"><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/tz.gif"><sub>z</sub></font>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = -0.52655 m <br><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/epsilon.gif"><sub><font size="2">x</font></sub>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = 25.91467 mas;</div><div><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/epsilon.gif"><sub><font size="2">y</font></sub>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = 9.42645 mas;</div><div><img src="https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/images/epsilon.gif"><sub><font size="2">z</font></sub>(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = 11.59935 mas<br>s(t<sub><font size="2">0</font></sub>) = 1.71504 · 10<sup><font size="2">-9</font></sup> (unitless) </div><div><br></div><div>This would turn in to </div><div><br></div><div>+wgs84=-0.99343,1.90331,0.52655,0.0259,0.0943,0.116,-0.001715</div><div><br></div><div>Note: all signs changed to swap direction as from NAD83(2011) to IGS08/ITRF08/WGS84. Then changed the rotation signs to convert from coordinate frame method to position vector method. proj4 supports the latter version only.</div><div><br></div><div>Melita</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>