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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Hi Micha,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>But is the somewhat innertive way of the
hitherto development of the journal encouraging enough for the authors?
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>So far I put texts on 2 news and 1 event, reviewed 1 paper and I
cannot see ANY of these published. I do not mean to critisize, as we are all
contributing volontairly, but to make authors and others involved not to feel
wasting the time, the Journal needs IMO clear goals, strategy and time
schedule. So to have the problem of huge number of scientific papers coming, the
Journal should be nicely organized and fluent in its work first.
(-;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>When the author announces an OSS event in the news or events
sections - ususally some <SPAN class=231321308-01102009>4-</SPAN>6 months
in advance; it should appear early enough for the readers to be able to
act.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The quesiton is - will the input be that big at the beginning?
I rather doubt it, so maybe it would be better not to set up number of issues a
year but to issue numbers when they fill certain "volume", as I think it was
done before. Is it what you meant Micha?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>In that case it would be rater a magazine,
"self-organizing" its actual content, occassionaly scientific. When number
of scientific papers will grow above our review capacity, we will worry
then. (-; Looking at the 2007 vol2 issue I would keep that structure, adding a
chapter for purely scientific content. Regardless of the final setup I
propose to change the name to something like "Journal of Open (Source)
Geomatics" as more descriptive for the non-OSGeo audience.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Regarding JOSIS. After all, the authors are free to choose the
jurnal they publish in - should we choose for them? At this point JOSIS has
starting position and no IF, as the journal of OSGeo. On the other hand however
publishing papers related to FOSS4G in JOSIS could also raise awareness in
the wider spatial community about the usability of OSS. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Best regards:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=095412707-01102009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Raf</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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329731</P></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Micha
Silver<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 October 2009 09:22<BR><B>To:</B> Tyler Mitchell
(OSGeo)<BR><B>Cc:</B> newsletter@lists.osgeo.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Journal] Next steps<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
wrote:<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:6b4a441e7546b64e59903c367d6a4eeb@egroupware type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hi all, good discussion, thanks.
It seems that some of you are more familiar with the JOSIS work - how do you
know about it? I don't see much on their site to help me understand how
much they have published or how active they are. So I'm ambivalent about it
at present. I loko at their current and archive pages and only see a couple
articles in total. Where is the meat?
Most of the encouraging increased interest shown in an OSGeo Journal has
been around the scientific and peer review side - so I'm starting to get
mixed messages. We were agreeing to not make it simply a newsletter for
internal OSGeo stuff but to raise the bar and focus as much as possible on
articles that, it seems to me, would be moved to JOSIS. Or are some
proposing we do something collaborative rather than exclusive?
Sorry, I'm just not clear on how past discussions fit into the JOSIS ideas.
Please help me understand your confidence in their approach. I'm all for
sharing our content with other journals where fit. I'm also very interested
in trying out a newer magazine style - but I digress...
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Since the Journal has been somewhat in the doldrums
recently, I think the best approach is to just continue putting out issues in
more or less the same format that has been used so far (but at shorter and more
predictable intervals). When requests for publishing technical articles and for
peer review start flowing in faster than the editors can handle, then we can
consider splitting, or "outsourcing" to JOSIS. <BR>The original GRASS newsletter
grew into the current journal as a kind of natural upgrade, with the
establishment of OSGeo. The next step up to a more professional journal should
also become obvious as more articles are submitted covering more areas in
greater depth.<BR>-- <BR>Micha<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:6b4a441e7546b64e59903c367d6a4eeb@egroupware type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Tyler
"Suchith Anand" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk"><Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I can contact JOSIS team to explore the possibility of having special
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->issues on
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Open Source GIS from selection of scientific articles of OSGeo conferences
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->and
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">other events. The editors (2-3) for each special issue will be experts
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->from
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">OSGeo and will be different for each special issue (so there will be
distribution of workload).
Tyler, please let know your thoughts.
Best wishes,
Suchith
Dr Suchith Anand
Centre for Geospatial Science
Sir Clive Granger Building
University of Nottingham
Tel: (0)115 846 8408
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html">http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html</A>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html"><https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html></A>
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap=""><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/">http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/</A>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/"><https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/></A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap=""><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/">http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/</A>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/"><https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/></A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">
________________________________
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</A> on behalf of Sunburned Surveyor
Sent: Wed 30/09/2009 15:33
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter@lists.osgeo.org</A>
Subject: Re: [Journal] Next steps
Dan wrote: "I see this as a bit of an extreme option, but something
that might be worth considering..."
I don't think it is an extreme option at all, but sounds quite
reasonable. We can steer our scientific articles to JOSIS, which will
allow us to streamline (and possibly speed up) the production of the
OSGeo Journal.
This option wouldn't mean we couldn't have good peer review as part of
our publication process in the Journal, but we could run it more like
a traditional newsletter or magazine.
Do we already have a good contact with the JOSIS team that could be
used to explore this idea further?
Landon
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Suchith Anand
<A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk"><Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I think this is good idea . In fact, i am exploring the possibility of a
special issue of JOSIS based on selected full papers for next year's
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->OSGIS
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">2010 conference. I think OSGeo should explore possibility of having
dedicated special issues in key Geospatial journals of selection of full
papers submitted to FOSS4G conferences and JOSIS is a good starting
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->point.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Best wishes,
Suchith
Dr Suchith Anand
Centre for Geospatial Science
Sir Clive Granger Building
University of Nottingham
Tel: (0)115 846 8408
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html">http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/">http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/">http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/</A>
________________________________
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</A> on behalf of Rafal Wawer
Sent: Wed 30/09/2009 09:31
To: Daniel P. Ames
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter@lists.osgeo.org</A>
Subject: RE: [Journal] Next steps
Interesting idea Dan,
It would consolidate efford and as the JOSIS is already a while on the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->stage
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">it could attract more authors.. I guess. On the other hand the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->publications
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">on FOSS4G may dissolve in overall spatial pot, next to papers on
proprietary solutions (-;
The future journal of OSGeo, we were discussing about, is to be seen as
addressing all the aspects of FOSS4G: news, events, scientific papers,
applications, education, etc. Personally - it is what I would like to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->have
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">as a reader... but my background is also scientific. For ICT specialists
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->as
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">well as for GI experts and users the scientific content may not be that
important.
Certainly Dan's idea is worth considering!
What I like in the setup of JOSIS is the mechanizm fo discussions on
submitted papers. Nice idea to have it along with the review and not as
usuall - after publishing.
Best regards:
RAf
Dr. Rafal Wawer
K.U.Leuven
R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
Belgium
tel. 0032 16 329731
________________________________
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:newsletter-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</A>] On Behalf Of Daniel P. Ames
Sent: 30 September 2009 08:14
To: Barry Rowlingson
Cc: Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo); <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newsletter@lists.osgeo.org">newsletter@lists.osgeo.org</A>
Subject: Re: [Journal] Next steps
Barry, I'm glad you mentioned JOSIS. I was about to comment on this
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->myself,
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">and you beat me to it! These folks have some ideals that are fairly well
aligned with OSGeo ideals and it would be nice to support them. I suppose
there are a couple of ways to do that. One is to contact them about some
kind of a merger whereby JOSIS accepts some OSGeo people as board members
and in return OSGeo adopts JOSIS as it's officially sanctioned outlet for
research publication. I see this as a bit of an extreme option, but
something that might be worth considering... - Dan
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Barry Rowlingson
<A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk"><b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Has everyone else seen JOSIS:
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://josis.org/index.php/josis/index">http://josis.org/index.php/josis/index</A>
it seems to be run on volunteer effort, and needs 3 editors-in-chief
and a whole load of luminaries on the editorial board. Plus
who-knows-how-many reviewers (they just got one more).
They're also using OJS for journal management, and seem to have open
comments on pre-published articles.
They don't seem to say how often they publish an issue though.
Perhaps these days the concept of an 'issue' is becoming meaningless,
and articles should just be published when the editor gets the reviews
and gives the okay? Click a button and there it is in everyone's RSS
feed.
Barry
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