<html><head><base href="x-msg://109/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Great - then let's get it done.<div><br></div><div>It's surely in everyone's interest -- so I have no doubt that everything can be resolved.</div><div><br></div><div>I was just concerned that given the tight timeline and critical path to getting the event to actually happen -- it would be a crying shame if it didn't happen on account of time scooped up getting everything straightened away with the Foundation first.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave<br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 2011-12-12, at 2:23 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As a member of the OSGeo board, I’d be ashamed and embarrassed if the NA conference happened without OSGeo’s active involvement.<o:p></o:p></span></a></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The board (myself included) did raise some concerns, and I encourage Mark to push back on the board to help get them resolved.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">_mpg<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:northamerica-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">northamerica-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:northamerica-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dave McIlhagga<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 12, 2011 8:53 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mark Lucas<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:northamerica@lists.osgeo.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">northamerica@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [North America] OSGeo Board Meeting and NA Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Mark,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">My sense on this is - let's get the "big rock" moving, ie. the conference, as a primary priority and figure out the logistics of the Chapter around that.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I think most people engaged here want to see a North American open source geospatial event happen, and that can happen with or without OSGeo blessing. Once the event is committed to move forward, this chapter and the Foundation can look to see how closely they want to tie up with both parts knowing there's mutual benefit to making this happen.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If no arrangement can be made -- so be it, and the event still moves forward.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The one thing to be aware of, conference naming should avoid use of the OSGeo brand for now in case an arrangement with the Foundation cannot be made to do so.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">There may be more ideal ways to do this -- but pragmatism needs to be top priority at this point if an event is actually going to happen on the aggressive schedule that has been suggested.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dave<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 2011-12-10, at 7:44 AM, Mark Lucas wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thought I'd status everyone on the board meeting and recent discussions.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The motion to approve the North America chapter was voted down.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">There were many comments and a lot of discussion. At the end, many of the board members decided there was no need to rush a decision. Many, not all, encouraged that we continue to pursue the NA chapter and also a regional conference this year and that an official chapter approval was not needed to do that.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 14.25pt; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">[9:44] NA chapter</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.75in; margin-bottom: 1.2pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/North_America_Regional#Official_expression_of_interest_to_form_a_North_America_Regional_chapter_of_the_OSGeo_Foundation" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 187); text-decoration: none; ">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/North_America_Regional#Official_expression_of_interest_to_form_a_North_America_Regional_chapter_of_the_OSGeo_Foundation</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.75in; margin-bottom: 1.2pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">much discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.75in; margin-bottom: 1.2pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">motion to approve chapter - MarkL/1, Jo/2...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 1in; margin-bottom: 1.2pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">mpg -1, Frank -1, Jeff +0, Daniel +0, Jo +0, Mark +1, Arnulf (absent), Peter +0, Tim +0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.75in; margin-bottom: 1.2pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">motion failed; concerns centered on organizational structure, concerns about the conference<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Negative comments were that there wasn't enough work done on organizational structure, it seemed to reflect the work of one person (I assume that is me), that we haven't done proper coordination with all of the other existing chapters in NA, I think a few don't want an annual NA regional conference. What about revenues?. From my perspective, many of the same discussions that we have previously tried to address.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'll certainly accept blame for trying to push this through. My intentions were to be officially recognized and schedule a conference that did not conflict with Beijing in the Apr/May timeframe. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts and comments on this.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">GITA, MIL-OSS, and USGIF have all offered to include us in conferences they would host.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Mark<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">_______________________________________________<br>Northamerica mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Northamerica@lists.osgeo.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Northamerica@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/northamerica" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/northamerica</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>