<div dir="auto"><div>Specifically with awards, I agree with Adam and John. The ones I have seen in my career are usually one of the following:<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">1. Meaningful awards, but gravitating towards certain types of work at the exclusion of all else. Also the risk that they go to people who are better at tooting their own horn. </div><div dir="auto">2. A small group of people patting each other on the back. Not inherently bad, but not very inclusive. A similar dynamic to many keynote speaker circles. </div><div dir="auto">3. Pay to play. Industry awards that are borderline pay to play and absolutely meaningless. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div>I'd fully support showcasing the work people are doing in newsletters and at conferences. A grassroots effort to nominate people would help here. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 21:44 Emma Hain, <<a href="mailto:emmahain@gmail.com">emmahain@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hey All</div><div>Thanks for this. I get your sentiment John - I don't want to have that 'in-group relationships'. However I just want to uplift and showcase the great things people are doing. <br></div><div>Does it happen anywhere else is FOSS4G? <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 10:12 AM Adam Steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi John<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You've expressed my thoughts really well re. awards.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Martin, I have many thoughts on volunteered/acquired/stolen geodata, for another chat. (Maybe we should get a microgrant and run a forum on the topic, if we run it in beechworth that'd be ace!)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Alex, thanks for your action reaching out to Paul that's great!! Sooner the better - a public draft is a strong statement in itself ;).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Adam</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 15:16 John Bryant <<a href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Adam wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Awards - personally not my thing and (IMO) about the last thing a<br>community org should focus on. I've just returned from a couple of<br>years in Norway dealing with a community that is strongly cult of<br>personality (rockstar/award/??) based, and it sucks. Where was the<br>community discussion about awards in OSGeo Oceania?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I feel similarly. I think it's nice to recognise people's successes and wins, but industry body awards feel like an echo chamber to me, reinforcing in-group relationships. I've always admired OSGeo for its focus on reaching the broader community, creating an inviting and open space where anyone can participate regardless of affiliations.</div><div><br></div><div>The APSEA awards seem like particularly odd bedfellows for OSGeo Oceania... despite the "Asia-Pacific" name, they're predominantly (entirely?) Australian. Not making a criticism but it doesn't seem in step with OSGeo Oceania's community.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ohyeah, an MoU *has to be* public and reviewable by the community.<br>OSGeo's MoU with OGC is a good example of this practice.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 08:14, Martin Tomko <<a href="mailto:tomkom@unimelb.edu.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tomkom@unimelb.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Oh, sorry – you mean VGI? That was me the academic speaking - Volunteered Geographic Information, e.g., OSM, or any other geo content (e.g., Mapillary Cam data, or OpenDrone Map,
or other) that is volunteered by people, as opposed to a “super” category - User Generated Content, which is any stuff that may be gathered from people out there, even unknowingly (some call this Coerced Geographic Content …)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>Martin Tomko <<a href="mailto:tomkom@unimelb.edu.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tomkom@unimelb.edu.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>OSGeo Oceania Board <<a href="mailto:oceania-board@lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oceania-board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>, OSgeo - Oceania <<a href="mailto:oceania@lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Oceania-Board] [OSGeo Oceania] Geospatial Council of Australia - thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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