[OSGeo Oceania] [Oceania-Board] Geospatial Council of Australia - thoughts?

Tue Apr 11 20:03:55 PDT 2023

Hey Folks

Regarding APSEA, I agree that calling them "asia-pacific" awards is a bit
of a stretch. They used to include New Zealand, but even then it's not
right. But I think that they are significant and even to be nominated for
an award, like one of the APSEA ones, or the OSGeo Sol Katz award, is a big
deal. I'm sure there are other forms of recognition that we can deliver,
but celebrating those in our community who have gone above and beyond with
an award is important.

I'll look at drafting a letter to go to GCA and will share it with folks.
I'm also working on a draft "community recognition" document, maybe a
policy, for OSGeo Oceania, which again I'll share around when we have
something that's a good first approximation.

Relevant to the MOU discussion, I've also reached out to the Institute of
Australian Geographers and we're going to have a discussion sometime in the
next couple of months on how we might collaborate.

Thanks again for raising this, Adam.

Cheers,

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 16:16, Edoardo Neerhut <eneerhut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Specifically with awards, I agree with Adam and John. The ones I have seen
> in my career are usually one of the following:
>
> 1. Meaningful awards, but gravitating towards certain types of work at the
> exclusion of all else. Also the risk that they go to people who are better
> at tooting their own horn.
> 2. A small group of people patting each other on the back. Not inherently
> bad, but not very inclusive. A similar dynamic to many keynote speaker
> circles.
> 3. Pay to play. Industry awards that are borderline pay to play and
> absolutely meaningless.
>
> I'd fully support showcasing the work people are doing in newsletters and
> at conferences. A grassroots effort to nominate people would help here.
>
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 21:44 Emma Hain, <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey All
>> Thanks for this. I get your sentiment John - I don't want to have that
>> 'in-group relationships'. However I just want to uplift and showcase the
>> great things people are doing.
>> Does it happen anywhere else is FOSS4G?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 10:12 AM Adam Steer <adam.d.steer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> You've expressed my thoughts really well re. awards.
>>>
>>> Martin, I have many thoughts on volunteered/acquired/stolen geodata, for
>>> another chat. (Maybe we should get a microgrant and run a forum on the
>>> topic, if we run it in beechworth that'd be ace!)
>>>
>>> Alex, thanks for your action reaching out to Paul that's great!! Sooner
>>> the better - a public draft is a strong statement in itself ;).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 15:16 John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Awards - personally not my thing and (IMO) about the last thing a
>>>>> community org should focus on. I've just returned from a couple of
>>>>> years in Norway dealing with a community that is strongly cult of
>>>>> personality (rockstar/award/??) based, and it sucks. Where was the
>>>>> community discussion about awards in OSGeo Oceania?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I feel similarly. I think it's nice to recognise people's successes and
>>>> wins, but industry body awards feel like an echo chamber to me, reinforcing
>>>> in-group relationships. I've always admired OSGeo for its focus on reaching
>>>> the broader community, creating an inviting and open space where anyone can
>>>> participate regardless of affiliations.
>>>>
>>>> The APSEA awards seem like particularly odd bedfellows for OSGeo
>>>> Oceania... despite the "Asia-Pacific" name, they're predominantly
>>>> (entirely?) Australian. Not making a criticism but it doesn't seem in step
>>>> with OSGeo Oceania's community.
>>>>
>>>> Ohyeah, an MoU *has to be* public and reviewable by the community.
>>>>> OSGeo's MoU with OGC is a good example of this practice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 08:14, Martin Tomko <tomkom at unimelb.edu.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, sorry – you mean VGI? That was me the academic speaking -
>>>>> Volunteered Geographic Information, e.g., OSM, or any other geo content
>>>>> (e.g., Mapillary Cam data, or OpenDrone Map, or other) that is volunteered
>>>>> by people, as opposed to a “super” category - User Generated Content, which
>>>>> is any stuff that may be gathered from people out there, even unknowingly
>>>>> (some call this Coerced Geographic Content …)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed with your other points – and this makes it quite tricky to
>>>>> write a good MoU 😊, but there is hope,
>>>>>
>>>>> M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Adam Steer <adam.d.steer at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, 30 March 2023 at 10:05 am
>>>>> *To: *Martin Tomko <tomkom at unimelb.edu.au>
>>>>> *Cc: *OSGeo Oceania Board <oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org>, OSgeo -
>>>>> Oceania <oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Oceania-Board] [OSGeo Oceania] Geospatial Council of
>>>>> Australia - thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately unsurprising, I hope we can all work together to be
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Noncompetition for grants is a great addition to an MoU, alongside
>>>>> preventing channeling of OSGeo, OSM, HOT etc (global) funds to non-open
>>>>> activities. Leading naturally to the principle of open data from
>>>>> open-branded activity; and hackathons resulting in PRs to existing projects
>>>>> rather than fork -> rebrand -> claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What does "VGC" expand to?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
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