<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">IMO:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Cameron, congratulations on taking the
initiative with this paper. Well done!</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I think that Rob has hit the nail on
the head with his constructive criticism of this paper.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The last two bullet points are particularly
important. I don't think that we have the model right yet. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We need to allow for concurrent development
activities by a wide range of groups within the Geonetwork community.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I was intending to respond within the
word document with track-changes, however time has moved on and the doc
is now in a wiki (Mark was too quick).</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Comments on the document:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- The quote attributed to me links to
a thread that I initiated on OSGeo-Discuss in September last year. Is this
the thread that </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> was intended? It appears to be
linked to several times (in error?)</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- As discussed previously on this list,
I think that the SDI fundamentals section should be excluded, or should
be revised </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> and also reference appropriate
work.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- pp 5-7, for more background information
on using Open Source software in Australia see [1], AGIMO's </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> Guide to Open Source Software
which has some good (dated) general information and [2], which is </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> a summary of a survey also run
by AGIMO on the opinon of CIOs on Open Source software.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- p13, the title is ambiguous, Assessing
ANZLIC's Investment. As I understand it, this is in </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> fact an investment by many organisations
around Australia and New Zealand. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- p14, I find this proposed structure
a little confusing. See also my leading comments to this email.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- p15, Can the role of Community Liaison
Officer be expanded on? This is similar to a proposal that Rob Woodcock
and </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> Jeroen Ticheler have both made.
Would it be possible for this role to handle the entire SISS rather that
just GeoNetwork?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- pp16-21, I agree with Rob, two of
the most important stakeholders are missing, the GeoNetwork Community and
the </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> GeoNetwork Project Steering Committee.
Also, shouldn't the organisation's nominate their own people?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Bruce Bannerman</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">[1] http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/guide-to-open-source-software/index.html</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">[2] http://www.agimo.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/65009/Open_Source_Software_Overview_November_2007.pdf<br>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Hi Everyone,</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">I’ve a few comments on the
Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open Source(draft paper) document:</font>
<ul>
<li><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Much of the document is an
outline of what constitutes appropriate software project management. In
that regard it is a useful guide when assessing investments, activities
and teams for the uninitiated</font>
<li><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">GeoNetwork stakeholders list
is useful in understanding some of the interactions occurring. Interestingly
though it does not mention the GeoNetwork Project Steering Committee? (There
is also an error in the CSIRO section, the words for the Business Drivers
are Rob Woodcock’s (mine) not Rob Atkinson’s - just don’t want Rob A
to be blamed!)</font>
<li><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">The Community Liaison Officer<b>
</b>would significantly assist development contributions (from any participant)
in better informing stakeholders and in prioritising work (informed decision
making) across those organisations that choose to participate through this
coordination process – noting of course that this coordination process
is not the GeoNetwork one (that isn’t necessarily a bad thing as the objective
is to better coordinate ANZLIC investments, not take over GeoNetwork)</font>
<li><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">It is entirely possible, potentially
useful, for ANZLIC sponsors to pool their resources and form a critical
mass development team with appropriate project management in order to further
their goals with GeoNetwork. – this may in fact be all that the document
is describing but it isn’t clear to me that is the case, as my next point
describes, and if it is then how do other projects, like NCIRS SISS, interact
given they can directly assist the ANZLIC objectives if properly informed?</font>
<li><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">I’m concerned that the document
confuses the multiple community objectives that make up “GeoNetwork”
development, bundling them into a single geonetwork activity. I believe
it is important that this be understood more clearly as it impacts stakeholder
expectations – for example, expecting a production grade outcome from
a project contribution that, whilst adding the desired feature, is only
resourced and intended to add a demonstration feature. More over, I’m
concerned that this confusion leads to a proposition that “developers
can be pooled together under a common project and project manager but still
answerable to their respective organisations”. Whilst that may be possible
under a secondment style arrangement for resources the ANZLIC sponsors
control, that isn’t the type of situation that exists in many useful cases.
Groups like BlueNet previously and NCRIS SISS which are funded to deliver
to their stakeholders have project management and contractual obligations
– they can’t second staff to nor be answerable to an Aust/NZ steering
committee. Indeed, I can’t see those resources being leveraged in a useful
form if an external Project Manager attempts to manage those projects,
it may cause conflict. These project types, where willing, can respond
to a clear call for features or bug fixes etc and/or allow their contributions
to be leveraged elsewhere (where their contractual terms permit and the
communication of those development priorities are clear). Indeed, many
open source project operate effectively on this principle. </font></ul><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Achieving critical development
mass, particularly around quality issues and production releases, has been
one of the principle objectives of the NCIRS SISS project setup. It is
unusual in that regard because it isn’t focussed on building features
for its stakeholders but on tackling a “gap” in the current community
investments in the spatial services stack that is hampering deployment
efforts by multiple organisations (including some ANZLIC ones) that NCRIS
would like to see happen. The NCRIS SISS project stakeholders are in fact
interested in responding to a clear call for features and bug fixes!</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">The other main objective has
been to work towards a “customer” engagement model which provides a more
informed decision making process – the Community Liaison role suggested
is one such approach, especially when matched with an equivalent developer
liaison role so the “pair” can inform both up and down the communications
pipe. Ben Searle is on the NCRIS SISS Project Committee to assist in this
regards, though Ben is still keen to see this model improved further.</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Regards,</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Rob</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Project Director – Auscope
Grid</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">SISS – Project Manager</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"> </font>
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,</font>
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<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Arial">Kensington, WA 6151 Australia</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Arial">Phone +61 8 6436 8780 Fax +61
8 6436 8586</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 June 2008 1:57 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Aust-NZ OSGeo<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open
Source(draft paper)</font>
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IMO:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
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Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote on 26/06/2008 09:45:02
AM:<br>
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> ><br>
> > Perhaps we could put this into a wiki to allow other members
of the <br>
> > community to help develop it further.<br>
> Yes, good idea. I planned originally to use a wiki but migrated to
word <br>
> as I find it easier to write in and collate reviews. Once the document
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> has stablized and when I next have a spare few hours I'll move it
across <br>
> (in a week or 2).<br>
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OK.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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I intend making some comments / additions. I'll use track changes within
Word and post my version of the document back to the OSGeo-AustNZ list
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Cheers.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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Bruce Bannerman</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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