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    <p>For those of you who might not know Bruce, I thought I should
      provide some background.</p>
    <p>Bruce was on the organising committee of FOSS4G 2009, and
      previously an active contributor within the OSGeo Aust-NZ email
      list, among other things.</p>
    <p>I've had a deep respect for Bruce's ability to deeply analyse
      open technology problems, from a technical, social and business
      context. And if you manage to pick a topic he is passionate about,
      he has a track record of stepping up and following through.</p>
    <p>He will also call bullshit on you (in a pointed, yet constructive
      manner), and it is usually wise to listen to him when he does.
      (Exhibit A at the start of the email thread).<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/8/19 10:12 pm, John Bryant wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hi Bruce,</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Thanks a lot for raising this. I see it as a critical issue
          and I appreciate your candid comments. I believe we're 100% in
          agreement about the importance of appropriate community
          engagement.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>By way of a brief outline, here's how we've arrived at this
          point:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Immediately after the 2018 conference, the topic of
          governance was raised and discussed at length in a Nov 2018
          thread on the FOSS4G-Oceania list [1], culminating in a Terms
          of Reference [2] for an organisation called OSGeo Oceania, and
          an interim Board of Directors (ratified by motion on the list
          in Dec 2018 [3]). Your suggestion from August 2018 [4] to '<i>have
            separate bodies for the Local Chapter and the Conference
            Committees</i>' was taken on board and incorporated at this
          stage.<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The Terms of Reference broadly outlined an agenda for this
          organisation for 2019:</div>
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          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div><i>- determine a process for recruiting and managing an
              appropriate general membership<br>
              - determine a process for renewal of board membership,
              including accountability to the general membership, and
              clarify such items as term limits and staggering of terms<br>
              - determine a process for inviting expressions of interest
              and selecting groups wishing to host the annual FOSS4G
              SotM Oceania event<br>
              - determine and formalise an appropriate non-profit
              structure<br>
              - submit an official expression of interest to the OSGeo
              board to form an OSGeo local chapter<br>
              - apply to the OpenStreetMap Foundation board to form an
              OpenStreetMap local chapter</i></div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Forming a non-profit was the first priority, as it was seen
          as a foundational piece for the other items. Following the
          TOR, a rather extensive piece of research led to a draft
          recommendation in March 2019, which was posted on the lists
          for community feedback [5 & 6]. At that time you pointed
          to some earlier advice/comments you'd offered (<i>determine an
            open process, understand liability, understand who has the
            right to establish this entity, understand how we will
            replace this person/people/organisation when appropriate</i>),
          which we considered in drafting the recommendations. I hope
          the TOR and entity recommendation documents sufficiently
          address these concerns, and I'll also point out that we're
          still in the process of determining how this will work - on
          the agenda for the coming months ahead of the conference.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The entity was formed, based on the recommendation and
          professional advice, on 1 May 2019.<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I'm now realising the distinct possibility that many people
          in the community aren't subscribed to the foss4g-oceania list,
          and thus the lengthy discussion that happened there may not
          have been visible to some of the people who needed to see it.
          This is unfortunate, and I only really see this now in
          hindsight. I'm cc'ing the foss4g-oceania list so that anyone
          who's on that list and not the Oceania list can also see this
          discussion.<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>ALSO... I acknowledge that we can and will do better at
          transparency. But I also ask for your patience. This isn't
          easy work, we're all volunteers, and everyone is trying the
          best they can. We've worked <u>very</u> hard to keep the
          community apprised of what we're doing, seek input and
          feedback, and try to address whatever comes our way.<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If anyone feels they've been kept out of the loop, I
          apologise for that, and I hope that in the coming months we
          can find ways to make sure nobody is left behind.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>John<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>[1] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-November/001049.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-November/001049.html</a></div>
        <div>[2] <a
href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aZ6L08ke1-l32I7c00MahyEKgxeZkq8/view"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aZ6L08ke1-l32I7c00MahyEKgxeZkq8/view</a></div>
        <div>[3] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-December/001163.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-December/001163.html</a></div>
        <div>[4] <a
            href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2018-August/001929.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2018-August/001929.html</a></div>
        <div>[5] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-March/001313.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-March/001313.html</a></div>
        <div>[6] <a
            href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001989.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001989.html</a></div>
        <div><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 13:29,
          Bruce Bannerman <<a
            href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="auto">
            <div dir="ltr">Hello John, Cameron and fellow OSGeo Oceania
              community members,</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">I’m in two minds as to how to address this
              email:</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">- Firstly, I’m happy to see some momentum
              around OSGeo-Oceania.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">- Secondly, I’m very disappointed to see that
              we have what appears to be a fait accompli [1] presented
              to us.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">I have not seen any suitable discussion on
              how we want to establish a local community, the rules that
              we want to work to, how we are going to select and
              reselect our community leaders etc, etc.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">The last that I recall was when I dug out an
              older email where I listed a number of concerns related to
              creating a legal entity about five months ago [2]. I have
              not seen these addressed, or had the opportunity to
              participate in the follow up discussion.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Perhaps I have missed all of this discussion?
               </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">I have looked through the Oceania email
              archives, but cannot see the relevant discussion. So I
              wasn’t imagining not seeing it.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Can someone please outline how we have
              arrived at this point without suitable community
              engagement and discussion? </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Kind regards,</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Bruce</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
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            <div dir="ltr">[1] <span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica"><a
                  href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fait-accompli"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fait-accompli</a> </span></div>
            <div dir="ltr"><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div dir="ltr"><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica">[2] </span><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica"><a
                  href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001993.html"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001993.html</a></span></div>
            <div dir="ltr"><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div dir="ltr"><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica"><br>
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            <div dir="ltr"><br>
              On 2 Aug 2019, at 19:31, John Bryant <<a
                href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
              <br>
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              <div dir="ltr">
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div>I agree with this approach. <br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>My feeling is that board discussions should
                    default to using this mailing list except where
                    they're sensitive, ie. about specific people and/or
                    incidents, or relate to other confidential matters
                    eg. financial arrangements with partners. It's
                    valuable to the community to see how we operate, not
                    only for accountability, but also because it allows
                    people to watch over time, and potentially become
                    contributors.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Meeting notes/minutes are already published here:
                    <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania</a></div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Re:opening board meetings to the public, I'm
                    generally in favour. There will be times when
                    confidential discussions need to happen, but these
                    are the exception rather than the rule. If the board
                    is OK with this, maybe we can do this for next
                    meeting and see how we go?</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Cheers</div>
                  <div>John<br>
                  </div>
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              <div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
                <span>Oceania mailing list</span><br>
                <span><a href="mailto:Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><br>
                <span><a
                    href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania</a></span><br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter
Technology Demystifier
Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant

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