<div dir="ltr"><div>I've personally signed it because I support the call for addressing an important community issue, but I don't think OSGeo Oceania should rush to sign it on short notice.</div><div><br></div><div>Today is literally day 1 for the new board, and the incoming directors haven't had a chance to learn the ropes yet. Taking a position on a hotly contested issue, on behalf of this community, is a big ask for a brand new board that hasn't had any time to find its feet.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The call for action has a lot of support already... it'll hopefully be taken seriously with or without the explicit support of this org, and people in this community who support it can add themselves individually.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 08:28, Martin Tomko <<a href="mailto:tomkom@unimelb.edu.au">tomkom@unimelb.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Bruce,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I fully accept your personal statement, just wanted to add one clarification: OSGEo Oceania is not a different community to OSM, and OSGEO Oceania IS the local chapter of OSM. We are not “just” an OSGeo local chapter,
but also serve the OSM community ( Hence, also the FOSS4G SOTM conference, and the nascent OSM SIG).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As such, I believe we have a stake, should have a voice, and help steer the OSM community in the direction we – the Oceania part of this community, desire it to move.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, 11 December 2020 at 10:57 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Lauer <<a href="mailto:gregory.lauer@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregory.lauer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:oceania@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a href="mailto:oceania@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [OSGeo Oceania] OSM Community issue<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Firstly, thank you for bouncing this issue by our community in the first instance. Many hands can make light work...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to the issue:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The language and tone of the email that you referenced is offensive and should not be tolerated within any open source community.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This type of incident is why communities have implemented formal Codes of Conduct to provide guidance to a community as to what is considered to be acceptable behaviour, together with the consequences of breaching that code of conduct.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A good example of a COC that I shared recently is the Berlin COC [1].<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to our potential response:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had a quick look at the referenced email and document.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not our issue to sort out. This is an internal issue for the OSM community to resolve themselves. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe that it is not appropriate for OSGeo Oceania to intervene.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We should therefore refrain from comment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, this is a good example of why we need a clear understanding of how we relate with each other within our community. I don’t recall that we have seriously discussed the need for a COC within our community.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recall that people like Cameron Shorter have discussed the need. Alex also referred to a conference COC (I think).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a href="https://berlincodeofconduct.org/" target="_blank">https://berlincodeofconduct.org/</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 11 Dec 2020, at 10:20, Greg Lauer <<a href="mailto:gregory.lauer@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregory.lauer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">I am sure most of you will be aware of the 'Call to Take Action' being circulated in the OSM community. Several members have asked OSGeo Oceania to endorse the call to action. See links in email
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">We have our first board meeting (as in with the new Board) this afternoon and I have put it as an agenda item. I am personally hesitant for the Board to make a decision on endorsing the call to
action with out some barometer of support from members and/or community for such a action (or no action).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Can I ask our members and community at large to put some thought into the appropriate action that OSGeo Oceania should undertake. For example do we agree to simply endorse the Call to action, or
do we issue a statement. Or do we not support the Call to Action? I realize this is short notice but that is out of our control :-(<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Some of the community (including myself) have made some comments on the working document (link below this email)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">------ Forwarded Message --------<br>
From: Celine Jacquin <<a href="mailto:celija@gmail.com" target="_blank">celija@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: 12/10/2020 4:57:57 PM <br>
Subject: [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community
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To: <a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>, <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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I hope you are all well<br>
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We, several groups, chapters, organizations and individuals, have reacted to the conversation in the osm-talk-list (</span><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">)
considering that it is an incident symptomatic of the problem we have faced for many years in the community, which is one of the greatest obstacles to diversity at all levels of OSM. Time to make a real change.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">That is why we have developed a beginning of statement on the desirable mechanisms to work solidly on the rules of coexistence and improve diversity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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We bring it to your attention and invite anyone who feels represented to sign it. Translations are in preparation (any help is welcome): <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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