<div dir="ltr"><div>Interesting point Graeme. It's not the first time I've heard someone say that they get the feeling the organisation is about professionals - someone recently told me they weren't sure if, as a student, they would be welcome. This was shocking to me, I identify with the idea that it should be welcome to anyone who's interested.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My thought is that the org should serve the community, and that community broadly includes all kinds of open geospatial enthusiasts, from armchair mappers to students, professionals and amateurs, and beyond.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 15:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Sorry, but I must say that I agree a bit with Bruce.</div><div><br></div><div>I sometimes get the feeling, while following discussions on here from the point of view of only an ordinary basic mapper, that it's all intended for a much higher level of participant, or (dare I say) "experts" / mapping professionals?</div><div></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 16:42, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Well said John.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I personally have not seen much community engagement (until recently, that is) that would have justified increased participation by myself.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I also feel uncomfortable with the way Osgeo Oceania Community members are described and defined. That is why I personally have not bothered with applying to be a voting member.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I prefer a more open community, where anyone can subscribe and regard themselves as a ‘member’ of the community.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I don’t like the approach where anyone can send an email and request to become a ‘member’, which also means that they can vote in elections for the board.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I much prefer our parent organisation’s model, where people need to be nominated based on their positive contributions to the community, and then be accepted by charter member vote, prior to being eligible to vote for the board, or other Charter Members.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I believe that the current ‘member’ model adopted by OSGeo Oceania is driven more by ASIC requirements, and less by good open source community practices. The current model is ripe for misuse, abuse and the equivalent of branch stacking.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I recall that this has been discussed in the past, but in the light of recent discussions, I suggest that it may be beneficial for the community to revisit what it means to be an OO ‘member’.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Kind regards,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Bruce</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">, <br><blockquote type="cite">On 15 Dec 2020, at 16:00, John Bryant <<a href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>My feeling is that voter participation is probably closely linked to general community engagement. If we set engagement as a priority for OSGeo Oceania, I think we'll see participation improve over time.</div><div><br></div><div>Some things I'd support, towards this end:</div><div><ul><li> Support local groups, local events, local initiatives. Articulate the parameters of a grant program, invite applications, and put the funds of the organisation to work.<br></li><li>Continue to open up the organisation to more people, by making it easy for people to follow along and find out where they want to contribute. Commit to transparency, make board & working group meetings open-invitation wherever possible, write clear and simple terms of reference and keep them up to date, use open 2-way channels of communication.</li></ul><div>Andrew's suggestion for a gentle reminder that voting is required could help. I agree the comms were good.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding removing people from the membership register: this idea was driven by our old constitution, which said we needed 20% of the members present at a General Meeting, which is very difficult if the member list is largely inactive. This year's AGM wouldn't have met quorum under those rules. When OO adopted the current constitution, this changed to "the lower of 20% of the Membership or 10 Members", easier to achieve, so it's less critical to keep the list from getting stale.</div><div><br></div><div>It still feels OK to me to use this method to trim the list when people become inactive, but I suggest doing it gently - ask members if they want to stay on, rather than just drop them.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>John</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:36, Martin Tomko <<a href="mailto:tomkom@unimelb.edu.au" target="_blank">tomkom@unimelb.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If people change jobs, these may become not available, or at least not checked ( and you do not get a bounce email, sometimes).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Second, this is not a year to draw conclusion based on. People simply have no energy for most things, and if there was no conference, they may not have felt involved. We did not remind them that if they do not vote 2
years in a row they may become inactive…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So I would not be too harsh on ourselves. I also perceive the mothership OSGeo differently to our local org. They are for me not primarily the community organising body ( = conference), but the one that coordinates and
maintains the lives of the member software projects. Hence, there is a different level of activity and expectations, that do not get perceived as “dormant” in a year without a conference. Arguably, we do not have this second leg to stand on in OO.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Oceania <<a href="mailto:oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 3:28 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Alex Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>OSgeo - Oceania <<a href="mailto:oceania@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [OSGeo Oceania] Fwd: [Charter-members] 2020 OSGeo Board of Directors election results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wow - I missed that in the AGM recording... I wonder if this is a hangover of the initial excitement of the OO org getting off the ground, in that people were signing up for a membership without understanding the requirements of having
to vote in the elections?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you mentioned in a previous email that the membership clause states something along the lines of members who do not participate in two consecutive elections are deemed to be inactive and are removed from the membership register.
Maybe now that we have had two elections, that process will kick in and improve the completion rate by removing inactive members? Because I would hope that more than 40% of the membership is active.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it is worth I thought the communication for this election was good, but maybe I just happened to be on the right channels. I do have two suggestions for increasing voter turnout, and a caveat here is I'm not sure how practical
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. A gentle reminder to those who did not vote that the membership comes with some expectations and one of those is that they participate in the OSGeo Oceania elections.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:51 AM Alex Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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OSGeo has 64% participation, compared to our ~40%.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">One difference is that to become a charter member of OSGeo, you need to be recommended, so more 'exclusive'!<u></u><u></u></p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge Gustavo Rocha</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:jgr@osgeopt.pt" target="_blank">jgr@osgeopt.pt</a>><br>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:11<br>
Subject: [Charter-members] 2020 OSGeo Board of Directors election results<br>
To: OSGeo Charter members <<a href="mailto:charter-members@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">charter-members@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
Cc: Board <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>, OSGeo Chief Returning Officer <<a href="mailto:cro@osgeo.org" target="_blank">cro@osgeo.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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Dear OSGeo members and friends,<br>
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Thanks to all candidates for going through the election process and<br>
thank you all for your participation in this election.<br>
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These are the results from the 2020 elections for the 4 open seats on<br>
the OSGeo Board of Directors.<br>
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The results in alphabetical order are:<br>
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* Angelos Tzotsos<br>
* Michael Smith<br>
* Michele Tobias<br>
* Tom Kralidis<br>
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Election figures are:<br>
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* 306 votes out of 482<br>
* 63% participation<br>
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All candidates received a large number of votes recognizing their<br>
engaged in our community.<br>
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Detailed number of votes for each candidate were published on the OSGeo<br>
wiki [1].<br>
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Jorge Gustavo Rocha and Anne Ghisla<br>
(your 2020 OSGeo Elections CROs)<br>
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[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2020_Results" target="_blank">
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