<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">Hey Y'all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">I set up a loomio vote that more closely captures what we have said on this thread. The total donation amount is $1000 -- this is achieved through $50/month for a year and $400 in funds to match community donations through Tito.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">I've set the voting to go on for 2 weeks, but I hope we can all get to it before then. :)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">I've very keen to keep going with figuring out ways to make it easier for government orgs to donate - and for us to get corporate sponsorship to allocate maintenance funds to this and other projects with the same funding issues. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">Thanks everyone for your discussion on this so far, it's been really helpful for formulating plans and so refreshing to hear all of the goodwill and concerned voices. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:#444444">Dionne<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 at 23:04, Trisha Moriarty <<a href="mailto:moriar1y@gmail.com">moriar1y@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div>Great initiative!</div><div>Re Point 3 in Dionne initial email, by raising awareness of how contributions can be made, it will help overcome the initial barrier to start for companies who aren't normally operating in this space.</div><div><br><div>I think it's also worth exploring the barriers government agencies might face to being able to contribute via donation to open source projects. It will be complicated by the different procurement policies in place at the different levels and within the different jurisdictions. Generally in my experience. paying for specific work that the agency needs to be don by a contractor is doable, but I am not so familiar with the donation/sponsor route. Might do some digging.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Trish</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 8:16 PM Alex Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I didn’t get sent the loomio vote via email. Should I have been?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 4:52 pm, Dionne Hansen <<a href="mailto:dionne.hansen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dionne.hansen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">I agree, I think ongoing monthly donation is the best option because it provides some stability for the maintainer.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">If we sponsored for $50 per month it would be $600 for the year, at $100 per month it would be $1200. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">$600 for the year is closer to the initial proposal. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">If we wanted to do donation matching as well we could front up $400 for that to see if the community would also donate.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">The total cash outlay from our funds would then be $1000 - which sounds reasonable to me.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">If I get a few agreements I could put this up as a new loomio vote and scrap the old one. <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 15:37, Edoardo Neerhut <<a href="mailto:eneerhut@gmail.com" target="_blank">eneerhut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Sounds like we're all good to make a donation given it's under $1,000 <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_2290734521490213252gmail-m_6170152838428331109m_5673982340508086867gmail-m_6247078128405522173gmail-m_5456418368584656750plusReplyChip-1" href="mailto:dionne.hansen@gmail.com" target="_blank">@Dionne Hansen</a>.<div>Would we better off making a one time donation here or becoming a monthly sponsor at around $50 or $100?</div><div><br></div><div>I'd personally be in favour of ongoing donations as it's more sustainable.</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to further complicate, but hadn't considered this option earlier.</div><div><br></div><div>Whatever we choose, I think we should just sponsor and then work out mechanics of matching donations later on.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 01:36, Dionne Hansen <<a href="mailto:dionne.hansen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dionne.hansen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">So are we thinking we match donations up to a certain amount using Tito in the short term, and then the long term plan is get donations from organisations. (Thanks for attaching that donation info, I had no idea!)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">For the short term plan, is everyone happy with the $500 of OSGeo Oceania funds to match community donations up to that amount in Tito?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 18:31, Edoardo Neerhut <<a href="mailto:eneerhut@gmail.com" target="_blank">eneerhut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><b>GDAL</b></div>Thanks for kicking this off Dionne. It's exactly the kind of initiative we should be supporting.<div><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_2290734521490213252gmail-m_6170152838428331109m_5673982340508086867gmail-m_6247078128405522173gmail-m_5456418368584656750gmail-m_-4951486400983508529gmail-m_6471739059536261224gmail-m_-7020982359914684459plusReplyChip-1" href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank">@Alex Leith</a> Tito seems perfect for this. Great idea.<br><div><br></div><div><b>Corporate sponsorships and donations</b></div><div>This is definitely something we should set up. OpenStreetMap US recently received an $80,000 donation from craigslist which I think indicates the level of interest in our community and the tools we support/enable. There are countless organisations using OS GIS and OpenStreetMap in our region who have the funds and willingness to support the community. Sounds like we should look at the legal options and then just set up something simple to begin with using PayPal, Stripe or similar.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_kmd066u40" alt="image.png" style="width: 844px; max-width: 100%;"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 02:08, Alex Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm with John on this one, I'd like to kick some funds in too.<br><div><br></div><div>I wonder if a broader sponsorship drive, where OSGeo Oceania can 'sell' a kind of corporate support to orgs in Australia and pool funds is a good idea?<br><br>Let's keep this simple though. From a finance perspective, I can set up something in Tito, perhaps, where we can sell a 'pay what you want' and OSGeo Oceania could match, and we kick over a chunk of change to support GDAl development :-) </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 18:46, John Bryant <<a href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Great initiative, thanks Dionne!</div><div><br></div><div>I'm totally in support of anything we can do in this region to help make open source more sustainable. If OSGeo Oceania sets up a matching fund and helps identify productive ways to spend it (not just on GDAL, but perhaps on an array of important projects), I would like to contribute. I hope any business or org in the region that benefits from using open source would consider contributing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The QGIS SIG was initiated to help with the procurement problem you mention, where many organisations can't make a "donation" but can justify spending on a "membership". We haven't kicked this off yet, but will soon. Hopefully there will be some useful lessons learned along the way.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>John<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 15:11, Dionne Hansen <<a href="mailto:dionne.hansen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dionne.hansen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Hello OSGeo Oceania,<br>I'm addressing this to the board, the OSGeo oceania members and to the wider community. It has come to my attention that a message sent on the goal-dev mailing list here: <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/gdal-dev/2021-January/053302.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/gdal-dev/2021-January/053302.html</a> - which highlights a problem with burnout among the GDAL maintainers and outlines the difficulties of maintaining a tool like GDAL when one is only paid for developing new features but not for maintaining the project, responding to the mailing list, bug fixing, or new releases. <br><br>That message further outlines ways of overcoming the problem of burning out the project maintainers. Including getting more people to participate and providing a revenue stream so that a maintainer only has to do the maintenance job. <br><br>Even Rouault (the current maintainer of the project with over 19,838 commits) put up a call for sponsorship (<a href="https://github.com/sponsors/rouault" target="_blank">https://github.com/sponsors/rouault</a>) for his activities maintaining and improving GDAL and PROJ. He is also a developer of QGIS, MapServer, libtiff, libgeotiff, and cpenjpeg. <br><br>I feel that OSGeo Oceania should be doing our part to help with revenue streams to safeguard the maintainer against overloading and burnout. <br><br>1) As a stop gap effort I propose that we donate $500 to Even for maintenance purposes.<br><br>2) I think we should discuss if we can help in any other capacity - ie. amplify the need to donate money to projects like these, matching donated amounts up to a certain limit?<br><br>3) Discuss the barriers that our respective organisations have to donating maintenance funds to these projects. Ie. my employer could not sponsor via GitHub without breaking procurement rules. Is there anything that OSGeo Oceania can do to make maintenance sponsorship easier?<br><br>I'd appreciate a discussion about what we can do to help in the near and long term and I will set up a loomio thread for the $500.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Dionne Hansen<br></div></div>
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