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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Great points, Adam, all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I am also in favor, but we need to be cautious that the position of OSGEO Oceania is strong and autonomous in all this ( along the lines that dam worded much better than I).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have been (nominated by my employer) member of a Disaster Management and Recovery SIG in SSSI, which very quickly devolved into a VGI/Crowdsourcing group. I have been consistently
pushing for interaction with OSGEO while I was active there, but I noticed a few direction that I really did not appreciate much:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Extractive approaches to volunteering efforts ( what does XY data provider need, how can we get volunteers to contribute those
data, little discussion about those data then being free and open for all);<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Misunderstanding of the take and give back attitude in OSM, attempts to use mapathons for deliberate institutional goals (validation
of data quality, etc);<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Neglecting interaction ( at first) with the main representatives of OSM ( OSGEO Oceania)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Drive to pursue any funded /grant opportunities in this space ( to my eyes, competing with OSGEO Oceania here).
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would hope that this is all because of the unfamiliar dynamics and models of operation in the volunteering space, but this si something that needs to change, and OSGEO should advocate
for this, including wrt GCA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We need to be aware that we have something to stand on (Regional reps for both OSGEO and OSM). How much commercial software depends on, e,g., GDAL, PROJ (and a lot of the geodesy
around it too), all the Javascript libraries, etc? How many companies and industries depend on OSM? The more traditional spatial sciences/surveying community may not be aware of all this, and maybe this is an opportunity to raise awareness, and change attitudes,
to empower all and any spatial effort in Australia. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Oceania-Board <oceania-board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Adam Steer <adam.d.steer@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 30 March 2023 at 8:51 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Alex Leith <alexgleith@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>OSGeo Oceania Board <oceania-board@lists.osgeo.org>, OSgeo - Oceania <oceania@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Oceania-Board] [OSGeo Oceania] Geospatial Council of Australia - thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Alex, all<br>
<br>
In OSGeo we try to find areas of common ground and avoid extractive<br>
practice for MoUs, which are long term and take a long time to make<br>
(the OGC MoU took 2+ years). So however it is drafted, it needs to<br>
ensure that the energy flow is not one way! Off the top of my head:<br>
<br>
- Geospatial Council of Australia (GCA) and OSGeo Oceania (OO) will<br>
collaborate on conference discounts and comms (eg FOSS4G SotM Oceania<br>
turns up in their calendar, counts for CPD etc, Locate turns up in<br>
OO's calendar, everyone talks so dates don't conflict, maybe members<br>
of each org get a discount and an opportunity to trade their discount<br>
in to a travel grant program - noting that Locate might not do this,<br>
but OO events can ;) )<br>
- quid pro quo booths at conferences if thats a thing people want?<br>
- co promotion as supporting/ collaborating orgs, logos on websites etc<br>
- maybe something about seeking expertise from OO first when talking<br>
about open things?<br>
<br>
Awards - personally not my thing and (IMO) about the last thing a<br>
community org should focus on. I've just returned from a couple of<br>
years in Norway dealing with a community that is strongly cult of<br>
personality (rockstar/award/??) based, and it sucks. Where was the<br>
community discussion about awards in OSGeo Oceania?<br>
<br>
Strong avoids: sharing member data, sharing mailing lists, paying<br>
money, anything suggesting OO do something without an energy or cash<br>
return.<br>
<br>
An MoU with OO and GCA also has to think ahead a bit given OO's<br>
regional focus and GCA's more local focus. Treat it as a model for<br>
other regional agreements - if we can find people from other regional<br>
orgs who might seek similar MoU's to review it, that would be great.<br>
<br>
Ohyeah, an MoU *has to be* public and reviewable by the community.<br>
OSGeo's MoU with OGC is a good example of this practice.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 08:29, Alex Leith <alexgleith@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hey Folks<br>
><br>
> Thanks for raising this, Adam.<br>
><br>
> I’ll add it to the next Board meeting for discussion, and will reach out to Paul Digney, who is acting president.<br>
><br>
> Something that we could push for is having our awards (proposed for the next conference) feed into the APSEA awards. I think that might work.<br>
><br>
> Any other ideas for what could be included in the MOU?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 8:22 am, Adam Steer <adam.d.steer@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Emma, Kate<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for the support!<br>
>><br>
>> As a strategic approach I'd personally go straight for board <> board level comms without delay - because honestly FOSS4G tools and OSGeo-championed concepts of open-ness / inclusivity are in every aspect of geostuff, all the areas of practice.<br>
>><br>
>> (in my opinion) we do ourselves, the community and industry a disservice if we act as if open source geostuff is a special interest or niche subset within the geospatial community.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> Adam<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 21:22 Kate Fairlie <kfairlie@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> YES! I would love to see this happen (as someone who has been very active in SSSI previously, and not very active in OSgeo). I highly doubt SSSI/GCA has previously reached out. Possibly worthwhile waiting until "areas of practice" chairs are determined
(to get a bit of a champion), though could definitely sound out board in the meantime..<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 4:47 PM Emma Hain <emmahain@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hey all<br>
>>>> My thoughts exactly!<br>
>>>> I think setting up a MOU would be a good step forward.<br>
>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>> Em<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 3:29 PM Adam Steer <adam.d.steer@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hey OSGeo Oceania<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The Geospatial Council of Australia formally launched recently -<br>
>>>>> merging SSSI and SIBA/GITA: <a href="https://geospatialcouncil.org.au">
https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/TexMCYWLOxh36MgDyH0mHM0?domain=geospatialcouncil.org.au</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm curious about their level of interaction with the open geospatial<br>
>>>>> community, does anyone have any thoughts / input / news? Should OSGeo<br>
>>>>> Oceania seek to form an MoU with GCA about how the organisations can<br>
>>>>> collaborate?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I think there's a lot of potential for raising the profile of open<br>
>>>>> source geospatial approaches, especially in professional development<br>
>>>>> and mentoring, given the depth of expertise existing in the OSGeo<br>
>>>>> Oceania community - and also a lot of potential to return value<br>
>>>>> (maintenance $$) to the open source community that might not otherwise<br>
>>>>> flow back.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Maybe the OSGeo Oceania board has already reached out, or the GCA has<br>
>>>>> already reached out?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thoughts and discussion welcome :)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Adam<br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> OSGeo director<br>
>>>>> <a href="https://iamadamsteer.com">
https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/Ob41CZYMPyCMolx7WHjfvFW?domain=iamadamsteer.com</a><br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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