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For this release, I'd prefer not to change anything this close to
completion.<br>
But I do agree with Alex and Frank that we are aiming to provide
understandable overviews of OGC standards. Of note, the OGC
overviews were written by the OGC on our behalf (with some initial
review by myself). A long term goal of OGC/OSGeo is to use these
docs for both organisations.<br>
<br>
On 02/08/11 17:02, Frank Gasdorf wrote:
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<div>2011/8/2 Alex Mandel <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Peter,<br>
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It's a compromise to satisfy the needs of osgeo-live being
able to run<br>
without internet access.</blockquote>
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<div>Big point! In organisations with firewalls and proxies it
can be hard to get the xubuntu configured well, even for
first time xubuntu/unix users.</div>
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Also I believe the standards overview pages are<br>
actually written by OGC as a human readable summary which of
course can<br>
include the read more online links. I don't know how many
OGC specs<br>
you've tried to read but if I didn't have wikipedia
summaries I'm not<br>
sure I'd understand what many of them are. Keep in mind the
disc is many<br>
people's 1st exposure to the Geospatial world not just FOSS.<br>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I'm <a
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style="color: black; text-decoration: none;">right</a> <a
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href="http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/there.html"
style="color: black; text-decoration: none;">there</a> <a
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href="http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/with.html"
style="color: black; text-decoration: none;">with</a> you.
The description in the standard overview documents gives
the user, who get first time in touch with FOSS(4G) and
GIS Standards itself, a short summary and additional
references to the original documents at <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://opengeospatial.org">opengeospatial.org</a></span></div>
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Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
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On 08/01/2011 03:43 PM, Peter Baumann wrote:<br>
> Frank, Cameron-<br>
><br>
> while I appreciate the idea of homogenization, to me
it seems more<br>
> natural to keep references to the standards: if I
read a linked "OGC<br>
> WCS" I'd expect a link to OGC WCS. The OSGeo
description page is a<br>
> paraphrasing of the standards texts, but not
authoritative.<br>
><br>
> my 2 cents,<br>
> Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 08/02/2011 12:38 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
>> Frank,<br>
>> I suspect these proposals are a good idea, but as
yet I'm unclear<br>
>> about what we gain by changing the way to use
hyperlinks.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd really like to revisit your suggestions as we
move into the next<br>
>> release, but as we are getting close to this
release, and as<br>
>> translators are working like mad translating the
English docs, we<br>
>> should be doing our best to keep the English docs
as static as<br>
>> possible, and only change the English docs if we
find something wrong.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 01/08/11 22:25, Frank Gasdorf wrote:<br>
>>> @Cameron, this step will help us to harmonize<br>
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>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/harmonize.html"
target="_blank">http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/harmonize.html</a>>
the cross<br>
<div class="im">>>> references to the standard
overview documents.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Today (revision 6683 : <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/6683"
target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/6683</a>)
I<br>
>>> updated geoserver_overview and there you can
see the :doc: directives<br>
>>> (in Implemented Standards section) which uses
the headline from the<br>
>>> overview page itself.<br>
>>><br>
>>> :doc:`<../standards/wms_overview>`
and<br>
>>> :doc:`Web Map Service (WMS)
<../standards/wms_overview>`<br>
>>><br>
>>> will result into <a href="">Web Map
Standard (WMS)</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> In my opinion we should update it to :doc:
instead of relative links<br>
>>> with html string in it like to one of the two
mentioned above:<br>
>>> `Web Map Service (WMS)
<../standards/wms_overview.html>`_<br>
>>><br>
>>> We should also grep in all rst file (except
the on in standards sub<br>
>>> folder) for links to the opengeospatial
standards links like :<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wms"
target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wms</a><br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wfs"
target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wfs</a>
and so on<br>
>>> and replace these with a OSGeo standard
overview page link (:doc:`Web<br>
>>> Map Service (WMS)
<../standards/wms_overview>`). All abbreviation<br>
>>> without a link could be update too.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If you need any help to update the rst docs
let me know....<br>
>>><br>
>>> A second enhancement from my point of view:
Add a link from each<br>
>>> standard page to the standards (overview)
page to get an overview and<br>
>>> a context for the user. Would you agree?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers, Frank<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 2011/8/1 Cameron Shorter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><br>
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>>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>><br>
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<div class="h5">>>><br>
>>> Byron Cochrane has been building a
valuable cross reference, listing<br>
>>> servers and clients to the common OGC
standards. I've copied it<br>
>>> into the<br>
>>> spreadsheet at [1], and intend to copy
into a table in the<br>
>>> OSGeo-Live<br>
>>> docs, inside our section on standards.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Could all projects please have a look,
and correct any mistakes<br>
>>> in the<br>
>>> spreadsheet.<br>
>>><br>
>>> [1]<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXc&hl=en_GB#gid=10"
target="_blank">https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXc&hl=en_GB#gid=10</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXc&hl=en_GB#gid=10"
target="_blank">https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXc&hl=en_GB#gid=10</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I'll copy the contents from the online
spreadsheet into<br>
>>> subversion in a<br>
>>> couple of days, on 3 August 2011.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Below is a copy from the spreadsheet
into email ...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Web Services:<br>
>>> ============<br>
>>><br>
>>> 52nSOS SOS<br>
>>> 52nWPS WPS<br>
>>> 52nWSS<br>
>>> atlasstyler<br>
>>> deegree WMS WFS WCS CSW
WPS SOS<br>
>>> gdal<br>
>>> geokettle<br>
>>> geomajas<br>
>>> geomoose<br>
>>> geonetwork WMS WFS WCS
CSW<br>
>>> geopublisher<br>
>>> geoserver WMS WFS WCS<br>
>>> gmt<br>
>>> gpsdrive<br>
>>> grass<br>
>>> gvsig<br>
>>> kosmo<br>
>>> libLAS<br>
>>> mapbender<br>
>>> mapfish<br>
>>> mapguide WMS WFS<br>
>>> mapnik<br>
>>> mapproxy WMS WMTS<br>
>>> mapserver WMS WFS WCS<br>
>>> maptiler<br>
>>> marble<br>
>>> mb-system<br>
>>> openjump<br>
>>> openlayers<br>
>>> opencpn<br>
>>> optics<br>
>>> osm<br>
>>> osgearth<br>
>>> ossim<br>
>>> otb<br>
>>> pgrouting<br>
>>> postgis<br>
>>> prune<br>
>>> qgis<br>
>>> qgis_mapserver WMS<br>
>>> R<br>
>>> rasdaman WCS WPS<br>
>>> saga<br>
>>> sahana<br>
>>> spatialite<br>
>>> tinyows WFS<br>
>>> udig<br>
>>> ushahidi<br>
>>> viking<br>
>>> zygrib<br>
>>> zoo-project WPS<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ======================================<br>
>>><br>
>>> Web Clients:<br>
>>> ==========<br>
>>> 52nSOS<br>
>>> 52nWPS<br>
>>> 52nWSS<br>
>>> atlasstyler<br>
>>> deegree WMS WFS WCS<br>
>>> gdal<br>
>>> geokettle WFS CSW
SOS<br>
>>> geomajas WMS WFS WCS
CSW<br>
>>> geomoose WMS<br>
>>> geonetwork WMS WFS WCS
CSW<br>
>>> geopublisher<br>
>>> geoserver<br>
>>> gmt<br>
>>> gpsdrive<br>
>>> grass<br>
>>> gvsig WMS WFS WCS CSW<br>
>>> kosmo WMS WFS<br>
>>> libLAS<br>
>>> mapbender WMS WFS<br>
>>> mapfish WMS WFS<br>
>>> mapguide WMS WFS<br>
>>> mapnik<br>
>>> mapproxy<br>
>>> mapserver WMS WFS<br>
>>> maptiler<br>
>>> marble<br>
>>> mb-system<br>
>>> openjump WMS WFS<br>
>>> openlayers WMS WFS WMTS<br>
>>> opencpn<br>
>>> optics<br>
>>> osm<br>
>>> osgearth<br>
>>> ossim<br>
>>> otb<br>
>>> pgrouting<br>
>>> postgis<br>
>>> prune<br>
>>> qgis WMS WFS<br>
>>> qgis_mapserver<br>
>>> R<br>
>>> rasdaman<br>
>>> saga<br>
>>> sahana<br>
>>> spatialite<br>
>>> tinyows<br>
>>> udig WMS WFS<br>
>>> ushahidi<br>
>>> viking<br>
>>> zygrib<br>
>>> zoo-project<br>
>>><br>
>>> -- Cameron Shorter<br>
>>> Geospatial Solutions Manager<br>
>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>
>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br>
>>><br>
>>> Think Globally, Fix Locally<br>
>>> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open
Standards and Open Source<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">http://www.lisasoft.com</a><br>
>>><br>
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