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I'd be wary of creating too much overhead in order to load data into
ELOGeo. The secret to crowd sourcing is maximising return on effort.
Really good Web 2.0 projects, like Google Page Ranking, have users
creating value and contributing content as part of their every day
work, and without realising they are adding value to Google.<br>
We have close to 50 osgeolive projects, and there is a lot of hard
work involved in motivating all of these projects to contribute
material.<br>
<br>
So my suggestion is working out how to automatically harvest any
metadata created from OSGeo-Live. At the moment, I'd probably only
create 2 metadata records for all of OSGeo-Live.<br>
I'd reference the Project Overviews and Quickstarts, and separately
reference the OSGeo-Live 30 min presentation.<br>
<br>
On 15/09/2011 1:30 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Cameron,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We have setup a
separate section for OSGeo-Live at ELOGeo <a
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href="http://elogeo.nottingham.ac.uk/xmlui/handle/url/99">http://elogeo.nottingham.ac.uk/xmlui/handle/url/99</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We wish to
start uploading the osgeolive docs from the latest release
for this and will point to the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://live.osgeo.org">http://live.osgeo.org</a> in
the metadata. Please let me know if this is fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will also put
this in agenda for the Edu BOF meeting we are having later
today on how we can add synergy with the OSGeo LiveDVD
efforts and educational materials creation efforts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> Cameron Shorter
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 August 2011 01:05<br>
<b>To:</b> Suchith Anand<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Amir Pourabdollah; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edu_discuss@lists.osgeo.org">edu_discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OSGeo Live DVD - ELOGeo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/08/11 01:46, Suchith Anand wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Cameron,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you know, the e-learning platform for
the Open Geospatial community (ELOGeo) is now ready. It will
be really good if the quick start guides, tutorials etc in
OSGeo LiveDVD are put in the repository. We can create
separate section for LiveDVD articles in the repository. We
greatly welcome your suggestions and inputs for this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Suchith<o:p></o:p></p>
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Suchith,<br>
CCing osgeo-live and education lists, with your permission.<br>
<br>
I agree that it would be valuable to align OSGeo-Live and
ELOGeo efforts. What I think is important is that we define
what we would like our documentation repository to look like
in 3 to 5 years time, beyond the initial project kickoff,
and then focus on putting processes in place for maintaining
the documentation repository in order to get to our goals.<br>
<br>
You see, documentation becomes dated, and needs to be
maintained if it is to remain current. Documentation is
developed to different target audiences, is written to
different depths of completeness, and to varying levels of
quality.<br>
The challenges that ELOGeo can help solve is:<br>
<br>
1. Make it easier to publish and find related documentation
about open source geospatial topics.<br>
<br>
2. Help keep existing documentation up to date, by matching
maintainers with source authors, and providing processes and
tools for updating documents.<br>
<br>
3. Remove, hide, or make less important, dated
documentation, so that it is easier to find the relevant
documents.<br>
<br>
4. Increase consistency, quality and inter-relatedness of
documentation. In particular, ensure that created documents
connect with each other. Ie, all document authors shouldn't
need to write a history of GIS. That could be handled once,
then everyone else can reference the one document.<br>
<br>
From what I've seen so far, it seems that ELOGeo is
currently only tackling item 1: building a register of
documents, something like <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://freshmeat.net">http://freshmeat.net</a>. This
is valuable in that it helps build an audit of what is
available, but there is still a lot more work required
before it will be very valuable. And by very valuable, I
mean that I'd like to see the majority of lecturers and
educators around the world use the ELOGeo repository as a
primary source of teaching material, and to maintain
existing material as part of their day to day work, because
doing so is easier than not!<br>
<br>
I'm convinced that this goal is possible, because in a small
way, we have done something similar for OSGeo-Live. But what
I believe is required is:<br>
<br>
1. A vision of what a full set of course material will look
like, along with a definition of end users and links back to
training goals (like the Body of Knowledge and University
training courses).<br>
<br>
2. Writing templates and guidelines, and supporting tools.<br>
<br>
3. Associated processes and workflows for document creation.<br>
<br>
4. A dedicated editor/technical writer charged with
providing the technical review.<br>
<br>
5. A project coordinator / champion who will help attract
authors, and help authors write funding proposals for their
external organizations. <br>
<br>
-----------------------<br>
<br>
That said, I think you were just asking about the short term
goal of how to get OSGeo-Live listed in the existing ELOGeo
repository.<br>
My suggestion is that it just becomes part of the OSGeo-Live
release process. We should keep such registration simple, so
that it continues to be maintained in future.<br>
So I suggest just one entry for all of OSGeo-Live, rather
than writing an entry for all 50 odd projects.<br>
I also feel that it is important for the point of truth for
latest material should point back to the source, in this
case, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://live.osgeo.org">http://live.osgeo.org</a>.<br>
I'll have more time to look at the details after the
upcoming release of OSGeo-Live. (Feel free to remind me if I
forget).<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre>Cameron Shorter<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Geospatial Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
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