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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Unless someone finds a show-stopper
issue, I'm anticipating we will be releasing osgeo-live 6.5rc2 as
final in 24 or 48 hours.<br>
I'd like to talk over final release details with the rest of our
osgeo live community at our usual meeting slot in 24 hours (or 48
hours if key players are actually dipping into their non-virtual
lives over the weekend).<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2013&month=2&day=17&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=179&p2=224&p3=22&p4=240&p5=215">http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2013&month=2&day=17&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=179&p2=224&p3=22&p4=240&p5=215</a><br>
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On 17/02/13 06:44, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with Angelos,<br>
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Sounds like the ubuntu point release is unlikely to impact our
applications, and has some improvements we would benefit from.<br>
Ie: Bugs fixed is expected to be greater than bugs introduced.<br>
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On 17/02/13 03:51, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Brian,<br>
<br>
Some answers inline:<br>
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On 02/16/2013 06:14 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:maplabs@light42.com">maplabs@light42.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:53:16 +0200, Angelos Tzotsos <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"><gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com></a>
wrote: <br>
Hi all, <br>
<blockquote type="cite">I have completed a new build based on
12.04.2 and it looks good so far. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/gisvm/dev/osgeo-live-debug-build10000.iso">http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/gisvm/dev/osgeo-live-debug-build10000.iso</a>
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This could be RC2 if we decide to make this extra step
towards Secure Boot. <br>
I would like to hear more opinions about our options here.
Hamish proposed another option on IRC yesterday: <br>
4. Release RC1 as Final and do a 6.5.1 with the 12.04.2
Xubuntu base after a month or so, when more feedback will be
available. <br>
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<br>
from a testing point of view, you have to say, where are the
risks? e.g. What set of users and hardware are affected by
the changes in 12.04.2 ? <br>
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Until RC1 we used Xubuntu 12.04.1 base iso and during <b>all</b>
our builds we used "apt-get upgrade".<br>
This means all updates until the day we built RC1 are included
(except kernel updates that were kept back to protect chroot
environment)<br>
The new 12.04.2 base iso brings in updates that were released
the last couple of days (Qt4, openJDK updates and a new kernel)<br>
The new kernel (3.2.0-37) brings support for Secure Boot and I
seriously doubt that it would affect any software of our stack.<br>
OpenJDK update brings in the last <b>very critical</b> java
patches that so much noise was made around the internet the last
weeks. My opinion is that this is a serious security update and
we should ship with it.<br>
Regarding Qt4 updates, small part of our stack is built on Qt
and we can test those applications to check that they are not
affected.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:20130216081423.gm0x3i5b9k44ocsw@webmail.light42.com"
type="cite">How could those be at risk given this change? <br>
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<br>
Regarding hardware, I am not sure we ever tested on specific
hardware. I feel that we always trust Ubuntu on this area. Why
should this change now?<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:20130216081423.gm0x3i5b9k44ocsw@webmail.light42.com"
type="cite"> <br>
internally, it is unlikely that application layer software is
affected much by <br>
a tiny point change like that, but what might the interactions
be? <br>
Are there changes that effect any of the software stacks? <br>
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I think this is covered above.<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:20130216081423.gm0x3i5b9k44ocsw@webmail.light42.com"
type="cite">The rote way to test is to mechanically re-examine
all bugs, and <br>
re-examine all features, and re-examine all quickstarts, when
there <br>
is a platform change.. This is labor intensive and as noted,
we dont <br>
have the labor available to do that.. <br>
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<br>
I understand that we lack on the testing side, and yes we need
more testers to make all the quality checks needed.<br>
<br>
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cite="mid:20130216081423.gm0x3i5b9k44ocsw@webmail.light42.com"
type="cite"> <br>
It is always smart to characterize the nature of the delta,
and use <br>
insight to try to find where bugs and problems are likely to
be... <br>
Since Ubuntu Linux and the software on the Live is very
complex, <br>
I welcome the ideas of others to make good decisions about
testing <br>
to acheive quality, and decisions about change to lessen risk
to quality. <br>
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<br>
I feel that since testing was only done so far by a small number
of users, it would not be hard to run one more round of testing
before release, but I really want to hear everybody’s opinion on
this.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:20130216081423.gm0x3i5b9k44ocsw@webmail.light42.com"
type="cite">best regards <br>
-Brian <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Brian M Hamlin <br>
OSGeo California Chapter <br>
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Best,<br>
Angelos<br>
<br>
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Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
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