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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">James,<br>
Good question.<br>
<br>
I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get
OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw
away" install for testing software.<br>
<br>
However, a next step could be to build a server version of
OSGeo-Live, maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of
priorities. In particular, the server version need not be
constrained by the size of a DVD, should be optimised for server
performance, and should have an emphasis on security. (There is
quite a bit of work involved in thinking through all these
issues).<br>
<br>
On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALDi5PTPmor=aiAJaB2ecKG9=Y5BtDs_a18fGp9g2YQ53TM3fA@mail.gmail.com"
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<p dir="ltr">What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if
OSGeo-Live? (My presumption is that a cloud hosted installation
would likely be directly on the internet.)</p>
<p dir="ltr">My observation is the packages (and particularly the
server and database components) are installed such that it is
easy to explore and experiment. This is different than how
things would be properly configured and secured as internet
facing services.</p>
<p dir="ltr">When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it
is a great way to get started, try things, and see what can be
done with the software. However, they should really do their
own install if they plan to use it for production use.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
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Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...<br>
<br>
On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
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Cameron,<br>
<br>
I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more
involved than I<br>
may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a
time. It will<br>
take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from
what I can tell<br>
the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?<br>
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Not quite:<br>
<br>
Key Milestones<br>
<br>
17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old
applications updated<br>
15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)<br>
05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and
working)<br>
26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40</a><br>
<br>
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I won't be able to make the IRC<br>
meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the
following week.<br>
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I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our
meeting details here:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us</a><br>
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Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple
steps I can<br>
start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you
think would be<br>
good first steps?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for
building OSGeo-Live in the cloud.<br>
First, see if it is possible.<br>
Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be
automated so we can do this regularly as part of our build
cycle.<br>
Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the
cloud install so they can debug their application if it
doesn't work.<br>
<br>
It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything
right. Our first USB release was considered beta and had known
issues and it took a few releases before we started
recommending it.<br>
<br>
As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.<br>
<br>
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<br>
@Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely
comfortable<br>
with that route.<br>
<br>
--Paul Ramirez<br>
<br>
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On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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(continuing on osgeolive email list)<br>
<br>
Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting
of OSGeoLive<br>
is a huge value add for the community, and something that
opens the door<br>
for many other opportunities.<br>
<br>
I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core
OSGeo-Live team<br>
as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud
hosting a<br>
central focus of our 7.0 release.<br>
Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into
the greater<br>
community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.<br>
Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new
distribution platform.<br>
<br>
I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and
someone such as<br>
yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it
already, then<br>
it is a win for everyone.<br>
<br>
Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule</a><br>
<br>
And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants
here:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi"
target="_blank">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi</a><br>
nating.html<br>
(This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify
spending time on<br>
OSGeo-Live)<br>
<br>
On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:<br>
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Paul,<br>
<br>
If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to
commit it to the<br>
svn repository directly (see<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion</a>).
Or you can send<br>
the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo"
target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a>)
or attach it to a<br>
ticket ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/" target="_blank">http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/</a>
)<br>
<br>
Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should
continue the<br>
discussion.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
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Hi Alex,<br>
<br>
Will definitely let the community know when this is
done. Fairly<br>
certain<br>
we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going
and if you guys<br>
want to add this documentation upstream in the site
that would be<br>
great,<br>
are you the person to send that type of information
to? This is<br>
something<br>
that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM
Depot side.<br>
<br>
If we run into any snafus with the VM format that
can't be overcome<br>
fairly<br>
easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up
changing the VM<br>
format<br>
we'll push that upstream too.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Paul Ramirez<br>
<br>
On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel" <<a
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target="_blank">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J)
wrote:<br>
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All,<br>
<br>
Not sure who to ask but figured this list could
provide some insight.<br>
I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it
available on VM Depot<br>
[2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really
just a community<br>
catalog of VMs that could be easily spun up on
Microsoft Azure. I<br>
would<br>
eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for
now this work aligns<br>
with other efforts in my day job. It don't think
there will be that<br>
much<br>
effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make
sure that this<br>
wasn't<br>
already done by someone and that it was okay to
essentially<br>
redistribute<br>
this work.<br>
<br>
The intended purpose of this is to help make it
easier for some NASA<br>
Earth Science people I work with to have a
platform to explore these<br>
technologies. We would eventually extend on this
VM with ways to<br>
interact with NASA services/examples but figured
this was an easy<br>
way to<br>
get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is
to infuse FOSS4G<br>
technologies into our data systems so this seemed
like an avenue to<br>
do<br>
such a thing.<br>
<br>
A little background on me. I was lucky enough to
be able to<br>
participate<br>
on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA
but unfortunately<br>
sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm
helping lead some<br>
working groups within NASA that focus on
Geospatial efforts so my<br>
motivation there is to help tie that community to
this one. I've<br>
worked<br>
for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2
years have become<br>
passionate about the open source efforts in the
geospatial community.<br>
<br>
Essentially, I really want to make sure that I
credit OSGeo and all<br>
the<br>
people that did the work but at the same time not
infringe on their<br>
efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts,
concerns, etc. would be<br>
greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Paul Ramirez<br>
<br>
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href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html"
target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html</a><br>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index"
target="_blank">http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index</a><br>
<br>
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</blockquote>
It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think
anyone has done it<br>
yet,<br>
so you should and post back with the info for the
community. We can<br>
even<br>
add a link in the documentation about how to create
a VM on Azure<br>
based<br>
on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance
also but no one<br>
has<br>
done that yet either.<br>
<br>
Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in
another format...<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
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