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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">James,<br>
      Good question.<br>
      <br>
      I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get
      OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw
      away" install for testing software.<br>
      <br>
      However, a next step could be to build a server version of
      OSGeo-Live, maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of
      priorities. In particular, the server version need not be
      constrained by the size of a DVD, should be optimised for server
      performance, and should have an emphasis on security. (There is
      quite a bit of work involved in thinking through all these
      issues).<br>
      <br>
      On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CALDi5PTPmor=aiAJaB2ecKG9=Y5BtDs_a18fGp9g2YQ53TM3fA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if
        OSGeo-Live?  (My presumption is that a cloud hosted installation
        would likely be directly on the internet.)</p>
      <p dir="ltr">My observation is the packages (and particularly the
        server and database components) are installed such that it is
        easy to explore and experiment.  This is different than how
        things would be properly configured and secured as internet
        facing services.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it
        is a great way to get started, try things, and see what can be
        done with the software.  However, they should really do their
        own install if they plan to use it for production use.</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...<br>
          <br>
          On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            Cameron,<br>
            <br>
            I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more
            involved than I<br>
            may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a
            time. It will<br>
            take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from
            what I can tell<br>
            the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?<br>
          </blockquote>
          Not quite:<br>
          <br>
          Key Milestones<br>
          <br>
              17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old
          applications updated<br>
              15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)<br>
              05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and
          working)<br>
              26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers<br>
          <br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40"
            target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40</a><br>
          <br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              I won't be able to make the IRC<br>
            meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the
            following week.<br>
          </blockquote>
          I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our
          meeting details here:<br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us"
            target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us</a><br>
          <br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple
            steps I can<br>
            start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you
            think would be<br>
            good first steps?<br>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for
          building OSGeo-Live in the cloud.<br>
          First, see if it is possible.<br>
          Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be
          automated so we can do this regularly as part of our build
          cycle.<br>
          Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the
          cloud install so they can debug their application if it
          doesn't work.<br>
          <br>
          It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything
          right. Our first USB release was considered beta and had known
          issues and it took a few releases before we started
          recommending it.<br>
          <br>
          As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.<br>
          <br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <br>
            @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely
            comfortable<br>
            with that route.<br>
            <br>
            --Paul Ramirez<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            <br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              (continuing on osgeolive email list)<br>
              <br>
              Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting
              of OSGeoLive<br>
              is a huge value add for the community, and something that
              opens the door<br>
              for many other opportunities.<br>
              <br>
              I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core
              OSGeo-Live team<br>
              as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud
              hosting a<br>
              central focus of our 7.0 release.<br>
              Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into
              the greater<br>
              community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.<br>
              Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new
              distribution platform.<br>
              <br>
              I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and
              someone such as<br>
              yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it
              already, then<br>
              it is a win for everyone.<br>
              <br>
              Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule"
                target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule</a><br>
              <br>
              And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants
              here:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi"
                target="_blank">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi</a><br>
              nating.html<br>
              (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify
              spending time on<br>
              OSGeo-Live)<br>
              <br>
              On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                Paul,<br>
                <br>
                If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to
                commit it to the<br>
                svn repository directly (see<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion"
                  target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion</a>).
                Or you can send<br>
                the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo"
                  target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a>)
                or attach it to a<br>
                ticket ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/" target="_blank">http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/</a>
                )<br>
                <br>
                Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should
                continue the<br>
                discussion.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Alex<br>
                <br>
                On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  Hi Alex,<br>
                  <br>
                  Will definitely let the community know when this is
                  done. Fairly<br>
                  certain<br>
                  we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going
                  and if you guys<br>
                  want to add this documentation upstream in the site
                  that would be<br>
                  great,<br>
                  are you the person to send that type of information
                  to? This is<br>
                  something<br>
                  that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM
                  Depot side.<br>
                  <br>
                  If we run into any snafus with the VM format that
                  can't be overcome<br>
                  fairly<br>
                  easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up
                  changing the VM<br>
                  format<br>
                  we'll push that upstream too.<br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks,<br>
                  Paul Ramirez<br>
                  <br>
                  On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel" <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com"
                    target="_blank">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J)
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      All,<br>
                      <br>
                      Not sure who to ask but figured this list could
                      provide some insight.<br>
                      I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it
                      available on VM Depot<br>
                      [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really
                      just a community<br>
                      catalog of VMs that could  be easily spun up on
                      Microsoft Azure. I<br>
                      would<br>
                      eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for
                      now this work aligns<br>
                      with other efforts in my day job. It don't think
                      there will be that<br>
                      much<br>
                      effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make
                      sure that this<br>
                      wasn't<br>
                      already done by someone and that it was okay to
                      essentially<br>
                      redistribute<br>
                      this work.<br>
                      <br>
                      The intended purpose of this is to help make it
                      easier for some NASA<br>
                      Earth Science people I work with to have a
                      platform to explore these<br>
                      technologies. We would eventually extend on this
                      VM with ways to<br>
                      interact with NASA services/examples but figured
                      this was an easy<br>
                      way to<br>
                      get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is
                      to infuse FOSS4G<br>
                      technologies into our data systems so this seemed
                      like an avenue to<br>
                      do<br>
                      such a thing.<br>
                      <br>
                      A little background on me. I was lucky enough to
                      be able to<br>
                      participate<br>
                      on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA
                      but unfortunately<br>
                      sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm
                      helping lead some<br>
                      working groups within NASA that focus on
                      Geospatial efforts so my<br>
                      motivation there is to help tie that community to
                      this one. I've<br>
                      worked<br>
                      for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2
                      years have become<br>
                      passionate about the open source efforts in the
                      geospatial community.<br>
                      <br>
                      Essentially, I really want to make sure that I
                      credit OSGeo and all<br>
                      the<br>
                      people that did the work but at the same time not
                      infringe on their<br>
                      efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts,
                      concerns, etc. would be<br>
                      greatly appreciated.<br>
                      <br>
                      Sincerely,<br>
                      Paul Ramirez<br>
                      <br>
                      [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html"
                        target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html</a><br>
                      [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index"
                        target="_blank">http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index</a><br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                    </blockquote>
                    It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think
                    anyone has done it<br>
                    yet,<br>
                    so you should and post back with the info for the
                    community. We can<br>
                    even<br>
                    add a link in the documentation about how to create
                    a VM on Azure<br>
                    based<br>
                    on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance
                    also but no one<br>
                    has<br>
                    done that yet either.<br>
                    <br>
                    Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in
                    another format...<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks,<br>
                    Alex<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                  _______________________________________________<br>
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                    target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
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                    href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"
                    target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
                  <br>
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                  href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc"
                  target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc</a><br>
              </blockquote>
              <br>
              -- <br>
              Cameron Shorter<br>
              Geospatial Solutions Manager<br>
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            </blockquote>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          <br>
          -- <br>
          Cameron Shorter<br>
          Geospatial Solutions Manager<br>
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    <br>
    <br>
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